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Postby putnam » Fri, 15 Apr 2011 3:54 pm

Actually, I went to the MOM and telephoned them today, but had no luck. They do not answer general enquiries in person, but receive emails and answer them. I think that's how they work. I was just told that I needed to send them an email.

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Postby JayCee » Fri, 15 Apr 2011 4:49 pm

ecureilx wrote:
Saint wrote:Yoy are also wrong, anyone working for ICA are not allowed to smile


So what happened to the 'service with a smile' campaign ?? :)


The same as happened to the courtesy campaign, everyone ignored it :(

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Postby putnam » Wed, 20 Apr 2011 3:32 pm

I still haven't heard about my EPEC application from the MOM yet.
My status is still pending. I uploaded required documents two weeks ago.
I sent them several emails a week ago, but no single replied has been obtained yet. I even paid a visit to them. I'm afraid they will reject my application without answering my replies. How long should I wait for a rejection email to come? I want to appeal asap. I think there will be a good chance for me to obtain an EPEC since I graduated from a recognized uni.

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Postby ecureilx » Wed, 20 Apr 2011 3:38 pm

putnam wrote:I still haven't heard about my EPEC application from the MOM yet.
My status is still pending. I uploaded required documents two weeks ago.
I sent them several emails a week ago, but no single replied has been obtained yet. I even paid a visit to them. I'm afraid they will reject my application without answering my replies. How long should I wait for a rejection email to come? I want to appeal asap. I think there will be a good chance for me to obtain an EPEC since I graduated from a recognized uni.


You show a lot of confidence, then lack of it and then a lot of it .. :(

I am a bit confused: Is it a must that Sing Govt must give EPEC to eligible applicants ?? :-? :-?

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Postby klt » Fri, 22 Jul 2011 3:27 pm

ecureilx wrote:
putnam wrote:I still haven't heard about my EPEC application from the MOM yet.
My status is still pending. I uploaded required documents two weeks ago.
I sent them several emails a week ago, but no single replied has been obtained yet. I even paid a visit to them. I'm afraid they will reject my application without answering my replies. How long should I wait for a rejection email to come? I want to appeal asap. I think there will be a good chance for me to obtain an EPEC since I graduated from a recognized uni.


You show a lot of confidence, then lack of it and then a lot of it .. :(

I am a bit confused: Is it a must that Sing Govt must give EPEC to eligible applicants ?? :-? :-?


Yes, I think so... :cool:

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 22 Jul 2011 4:09 pm

klt wrote:
ecureilx wrote:
putnam wrote:I still haven't heard about my EPEC application from the MOM yet.
My status is still pending. I uploaded required documents two weeks ago.
I sent them several emails a week ago, but no single replied has been obtained yet. I even paid a visit to them. I'm afraid they will reject my application without answering my replies. How long should I wait for a rejection email to come? I want to appeal asap. I think there will be a good chance for me to obtain an EPEC since I graduated from a recognized uni.


You show a lot of confidence, then lack of it and then a lot of it .. :(

I am a bit confused: Is it a must that Sing Govt must give EPEC to eligible applicants ?? :-? :-?


Yes, I think so... :cool:


No, they are not obligated to grant you one. In fact, even if you get one, there is no guarantee you will be able to get an LTVP. You need it to get the LTVP, but ICA still doesn't have to give you an LTVP. Or, if they do, they might only give you 3 or 6 months, not necessarily 12 months. Especially if you are from a neighbouring Asian country. But you can't get one unless you are on their list. It means at the moment they aren't giving them out too easily. If you haven't gotten yours yet, you cannot appeal as no determination has be made. What are you going to appeal? Without a decision there is nothing to appeal. However, I guarantee, if you submit an appeal, you will definitely throw a spanner into the machinery and you will run out of time before it ever gets straightened out.

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Postby ausinsg » Fri, 22 Jul 2011 4:50 pm

Consider if you really would like to work here. If this is the up and down you experience when just trying to get an approval that will allow you to apply for a 12 month visa to hunt for a job, is it a place that you can see yourself being happy in?

You would be holding an EPEC that you might need to educate many employers about, as knowledge is in pockets and not across the board for many of the govt's initiatives!

So it is just a small taste of the next 12 months you have ahead of you!

Good luck!

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Postby ecureilx » Fri, 22 Jul 2011 5:30 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:No, they are not obligated to grant you one.


It is always a bit funny, when some people start to go a-la Australia or UK or Canada, and come back saying "I qualify, hence YOU MUST GIVE ME .. " :D

it doesn't sink in that Singapore has their own system to do things .. that is beneficial to the country ..

And that comment is not a derisive comment, but, when I was struggling on SVP while an employer went belly-up, and I demanded an EP, the MOM guy was kind enough to remind me that this is Singapore .. and things work Singapore style .. it was very humbling though ..

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 22 Jul 2011 6:20 pm

ecureilx wrote:[

And that comment is not a derisive comment, but, when I was struggling on SVP while an employer went belly-up, and I demanded an EP, the MOM guy was kind enough to remind me that this is Singapore .. and things work Singapore style .. it was very humbling though ..


Your last phrase brought back a memory that is 28 years old. When I was getting ready to marry my wife here, I was talking to my sister in Tampa and I told her I was marrying a foreigner this time. She said "Whoa! You need to back up and think about what you are saying." Needless to say, I said, what the devil do you mean? So she replied "You aren't marrying a foreigner, she is! You are in HER country!" I've tried to remember that over the years, but sometimes it's difficult when changes to mindsets here are soooooo slooowwww. But, occasionally is good to remember that we are the foreigners here. But that doesn't excuse their gross lack of social consciousness though! :P

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Postby ecureilx » Fri, 22 Jul 2011 6:22 pm

ausinsg wrote:You would be holding an EPEC that you might need to educate many employers about, as knowledge is in pockets and not across the board for many of the govt's initiatives!


A lot of employers know about EPEC, and then again, a lot of citizens perceive EPEC as a form of PR .. as there was some hoo-haa in some forum ..

And that is not abnormal, considering that a lot of EPEC holders use EPEC as a sort of 'holiday', especially those who can afford to take the 1 year break in Singapore :D :D No kidding .. I know dozens who are on EPEC, with ZERO intention of applying for jobs, but having earned enough back home, use EPEC as a long term holiday break ;)

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Postby blessuomg » Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:12 pm

after hving EPEC, do we need to apply Long term Visit Pass to find a job here? since EPEC alr grants u 1yr to stay here, so no need LTVP??? :? am I rite?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 23 Jul 2011 12:07 am

blessuomg wrote:after hving EPEC, do we need to apply Long term Visit Pass to find a job here? since EPEC alr grants u 1yr to stay here, so no need LTVP??? :? am I rite?


No. You are wrong. EPEC doesn't grant you anything. It just tells prospective employers that your application for an EP will not be rejected due to your academic qualifications. Armed with an EPEC, you can apply to ICA for a LTVP for up to 12 months (at their discretion, not yours). They don't have to give you any LTVP at all (and we have seen that happen right here on this board). Or they may give you 3 or 6 months if you are from another Asian Country. Or, maybe 12. But it is their decision and you cannot appeal it.

A little research on these threads might make you look like you actually are smarter that you are currently appearing NOT to be. :roll:

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Postby ecureilx » Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:38 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:It just tells prospective employers that your application for an EP will not be rejected due to your academic qualifications.


I would say "MAY NOT BE REJECTED" as I know one case, where the EPEC holder was rejected for EP .. my take is, the job didn't fit her qualification ..

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sun, 24 Jul 2011 12:15 pm

That is on the Employers side, and not the potential employee. The Employer is the one who has to justify hiring a foreigner who is not qualified for the position. Course I 'pose it's just a difference of POV though, yeah? ;-)

The way I see it, a fresh grad, trying to make use of his degree to get a job here, would obviously need to try to find a job in "that" industry for the EPEC to be valid.

It was only under the old LPR Scheme that a person could get a job paying only $1000/mo with the LPR paper in hand and get their PR, regardless of what the job was, it was enough to satisfy the gov't initially.


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