NSmen Expired Exit Permit ( 15 months overdue)

[roachbro]

Hi there,

I recently found out that my exit permit has been expired for 15months. I totally forgot about it, previously I had been pretty good about renewing but I just forgot this time round. I have been working overseas for the past 5 years.

I have served 2.5 years of NS, PES B, LTA and been to 1 or 2 ICTs (i can't remember for sure)

I tried to renew, extend, apply for a new permit online but got a message that I was ineligible to do so online and that I have to contact CMPB. I called NS customer service (they had a 1800 number) and the guy on duty said he would get CMPB to contact me regarding this situation.

How lenient are they when it comes to situations like this? my track record during my NS days was excellent, I just hope they give me a 2nd chance, I don't want to pay a fine and I certainly wouldn't want to serve time either.

Thanks in advance.

[Mad Scientist]

Hi there,

I recently found out that my exit permit has been expired for 15months. I totally forgot about it, previously I had been pretty good about renewing but I just forgot this time round. I have been working overseas for the past 5 years.

I have served 2.5 years of NS, PES B, LTA and been to 1 or 2 ICTs (i can't remember for sure)

I tried to renew, extend, apply for a new permit online but got a message that I was ineligible to do so online and that I have to contact CMPB. I called NS customer service (they had a 1800 number) and the guy on duty said he would get CMPB to contact me regarding this situation.

How lenient are they when it comes to situations like this? my track record during my NS days was excellent, I just hope they give me a 2nd chance, I don't want to pay a fine and I certainly wouldn't want to serve time either.

Thanks in advance.

There are two possibilities

1. CMPB online has flagged you as you did not renew your EP. This is the holy grail of NS men when they are working overseas. No excuse on forgetting in fact, it is a lame excuse. Renewal of EP can be done a month prior to expiry and up to three months after that. EP renewal reminder is always sent via text and e-mail.
Yours is way out of the margin of error. CMPB will require you to return back to SG. You will be charge and fine but it is a slap on your wrist comparing to not resolving it asap. This mistake you have to accept and move one. Only then will you be able to renew your EP and leave for overseas assignment. You need to bring proof of overseas employment , company letterhead to mitigate your case for eg. you have been working in Antartic for many months and access to computer was non existence OR you have been hibernating in a cave at the National Park for almost 15 months and only now you have woke up from your slumber!!
2. Or Contact Susan at CMPB who deals with expired EPs and mitigate on the phone. If you are able to convince her then you are scot free. IMHO 30/70 chances. [email protected]

Alternatively do not come back at all and burn your bridges here and see all your CPF monies stuck for something you did now when you intend to return to SG or renounce SG citizenship or try selling your HDB house later in life or you have a family in SG with/without a male child and trying to renounce your family SG citizenship.All these will stack against you big time.

So....IMHO, paying the fine and get on with life and do not make the same mistake is better and you will get a second chance rather than not wanting to pay the fine and get screwed big time later in life

Oh btw when you return be prepared to be slap with a few in camps before you can leave for overseas employment.

[roachbro]

Thanks MS. I appreciate the fast response. I didn't get any text nor email. I searched my email account and didnt find any email regarding this. I think I will try calling CMPB and talking over the phone. Hope it works out. Back when i was renewing my exit permit, it was on a 1 year basis. i noticed we get to extend it for more than 1 year now.

I know its a lame excuse for forgetting and theres no other reason other than that.

My company will be ok with me leaving for a few weeks to settle this thing. So hopefully everything works out ok. I do want to return to Singapore at some point since my family and friends are there.

[JR8]

Blimey, whichever old hand it was this weekend that described SG as 'vindictive' has a point.

[roachbro]

I'm sure everyone forgets once in a while. Certainly not an excuse but it DOES happen from time to time. Like I said, I'm usually pretty "on the ball" on such things.

It's kind of sad too when I think back to the good days I had in the army and what could happen to me now. Honestly, I did not receive a single reminder via text or email so not sure what's going on about that.

[Mad Scientist]

I'm sure everyone forgets once in a while. Certainly not an excuse but it DOES happen from time to time. Like I said, I'm usually pretty "on the ball" on such things.

It's kind of sad too when I think back to the good days I had in the army and what could happen to me now. Honestly, I did not receive a single reminder via text or email so not sure what's going on about that.

Shit do happens mate !! But even if you do not receive it which my only thoughts can be due to the fact that when you apply for EP , there is a box to indicate your correspond e-mail if you wish to be notify, maybe you did not fill that up.
Anyway the onus will be on you whether you like it or not.
Call Susan at CMPB her phone will be at the website, be nice and she will help

[roachbro]

bro, i've been scouring the net for CMPB website and the one I found doesn't have her on it. Can anyone direct me to the website?

Thanks again.

[Mad Scientist]

Of course her name is not there !!

Look up this link

http://www.ns.sg/nsPortal/appmanager/ns ... al_Contact

[roachbro]

Thanks again MS.

[Koalabear]

Yo buddy, same thing happened to me although Im only 3 months late.

The crux of the matter is, as long as they didn't call you up, the issue is small. I don't believe they will FXXX you for simply forgetting to renew exit permit. I renewed my 4 months expired EP without a single problem. If they are calling you up for training (because on their database you don't have valid exit permit) and you didn't turn up, thats the real shit. I always call Sunny Goh of CMPB for these matters.

The problem is, being late 15 months has quite a high probabiliy that they have called you up and you ended up with an AWOL status.

Most important is to call Susan or Sunny and ask them on how to proceed now.

[hitmebabyonemoretime]

[quote="roachbro"]Hi there,

I recently found out that my exit permit has been expired for 15months. I totally forgot about it, previously I had been pretty good about renewing but I just forgot this time round. I have been working overseas for the past 5 years.

I have served 2.5 years of NS, PES B, LTA and been to 1 or 2 ICTs (i can't remember for sure)

I tried to renew, extend, apply for a new permit online but got a message that I was ineligible to do so online and that I have to contact CMPB. I called NS customer service (they had a 1800 number) and the guy on duty said he would get CMPB to contact me regarding this situation.

How lenient are they when it comes to situations like this? my track record during my NS days was excellent, I just hope they give me a 2nd chance, I don't want to pay a fine and I certainly wouldn't want to serve time either.

Thanks in advance.[/quote]

Hi there! I'm in an almost identical situation, except mine has been expired for 7 months. I accepted a new position and expect to go back to Singapore at the end of July, permanently.

i was wondering, what was the outcome of your situation?

I understand I'm a noob, will attend to the necessary in a few

best,
HMBOMT

[Mad Scientist]

Thanks in advance.

Hi there! I'm in an almost identical situation, except mine has been expired for 7 months. I accepted a new position and expect to go back to Singapore at the end of July, permanently.

i was wondering, what was the outcome of your situation?

I understand I'm a noob, will attend to the necessary in a few

best,
HMBOMT[/quote]

Do not worry , the whole shebang will come sooner than you expected. be prepared for a crash course on ICTs within a short period

[siewch]

Hi Roachbro -

I just found out mine expired Oct 2010. Like you, I am on the ball (I have been living overseas since 1994 and always been paranoid about renewing) but this time I thought my EP expired Oct 2011. Ironically, it was because I was on the ball that I discovered my mistake.... I logged on to the NS Portal to change my address and that was when I saw that my EP had already expired.

Please share your with us the outcome of your case.... it'll help others like me figure out how best to approach the situation.

[roachbro]

Hey all, just wanted to update on what happened. I spoke to Susan at CMPB and she could not help me because my case was too serious. My case was then handed to Sunny and later on directed to an officer in charge of defaulters (This freaked me out a bit back then)

I sent in my letter of explanation along with proof of my overseas employment. I had to call once in a while to check on my status, making sure that they had received my information. On some occasions, I managed to talk to the officer in charge and he was courteous and straight forward about the situation.

Eventually, I was charged a compound fine and now I'll be allowed to apply for a new exit permit in a week's time. I clearly stated in my letter that I did not receive any notification, I was also apologetic and reassured them that this will not happen again.

This whole ordeal spanned 5 months and most of it, I had no idea what the outcome would be. They mentioned that these things would take some time so for most part, I tried to just get on with my life. I mean if sh*t happens, you'll just have to deal with it so I'm just thankful I got away with a fine.

Hope this helps.

[Mad Scientist]

Good on you for taking up my advise and do the right thing. Do not stumble again in the future