CMPB asked me to attend "interview"

[whitecottonlamb]

Hi all,

My background:
- born in Singapore, now 36 yrs old
- was moved to Australia when quite young (exact date unsure but I believe I could not have been more than 10) and placed in the care of my guardians
- never issued with any Singapore ID card and do not hold any Singaporean passport (but not sure if I traveled out of Singapore with a Singaporean or foreign passport back then)
- i only have a photocopy of my birth cert saying my father is Malaysian and my mother is Singaporean. The cert does not say I am Singaporean. I would have thought I would be more Malaysian rather than Singaporean
- pretty much grew up in Australia oblivious of the fact that I am in fact Singaporean and have to do NS
- Immigration & Checkpoints Authority wrote me a letter recently asking me to renounce my Australian citizenship
- this all came about because my wife, who happens to be a Singaporean (we met in Australia) tried to apply for Singapore citizenship for our baby girl who is 3 mths old and I put down Singapore as my place of birth. We understand that a child is allowed dual citizenship until 21 and would like our baby to have the choice
- to help with my decision as to whether I want to renounce or not, I wrote to CMPB to find out whether my NS liability would be heavier/lighter depending on my decision to remain a Singaporean/Australian? I believe only with this answered, I can then make a better decision as to which citizenship i should renounce
- but so far has been given the run around (1) they insisted that I should clear up my citizenship status with ICA first (2) also insisted that I come back to Singapore for "interview" in person to clear up my NS liability

Now my questions:
(1) do you know if my NS liability would be heavier/lighter depending on my decision to remain a Singaporean/Australian? Or it makes no difference?

(2) any idea what would happen if I come back to attend the interview? any one attended such an interview?

(3) do you know of any good lawyers that work in this area?

I would be most grateful if someone could give me their thoughts.

[whitecottonlamb]

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[Mad Scientist]

OK , I did not see this post .

Wait, I will reply you soon in the open

[Mad Scientist]

Hi all,

My background:
- born in Singapore, now 36 yrs old
- was moved to Australia when quite young (exact date unsure but I believe I could not have been more than 10) and placed in the care of my guardians

Are you adopted by OZ parents ?
Is your biological parents still alive and where are they ?

- never issued with any Singapore ID card and do not hold any Singaporean passport (but not sure if I traveled out of Singapore with a Singaporean or foreign passport back then)

Your biological parents must be living in SG in order for you to have SG citizenship and since your mom is a Singaporean, SG Citizenship takes precedent over your Dad's ones under the SG Law. You must have traveled out of SG using SG PP or else how in the world you landed in OZ. Your guardian/ parent must have taken up a PR for you and then on OZ citizenship. You need a SG PP first in order the OZPR applications be approved? You just cannot land in OZ suddenly and become OZ citizenship. It does not work that way.
Is Dad a SG PR ?

- i only have a photocopy of my birth cert saying my father is Malaysian and my mother is Singaporean. The cert does not say I am Singaporean.

This is IMPOSSIBLE. You will definitely be able to see on the top of the BC, a SG Crest or a Malaysian Crest as this is a valid document issued by a Particular Government, it must have a authentic insignia or crest or symbols to proof its authenticity

I would have thought I would be more Malaysian rather than Singaporean

You thought wrong as I have mentioned above

- pretty much grew up in Australia oblivious of the fact that I am in fact Singaporean and have to do NS

Answer the above questions first and I will give you my thoughts on these

- Immigration & Checkpoints Authority wrote me a letter recently asking me to renounce my Australian citizenship
- this all came about because my wife, who happens to be a Singaporean (we met in Australia) tried to apply for Singapore citizenship for our baby girl who is 3 mths old and I put down Singapore as my place of birth. We understand that a child is allowed dual citizenship until 21 and would like our baby to have the choice

So I guess daughter born in OZ and yes , she can take up Dual citizenship for a foreign born child of a Singapore Descent .
Why would ICA asked you to renounce OZ citizenship unless someone in the family told ICA that you hold dual citizenship. This is very puzzling and it does not work that way under ICA protocol. Since CMPB is not aware of your existence after 10 years of age, ICA must have known of your dual citizenship way back. Apart of it is illegal to hold one since you are born in Singapore and unless you are a person of interest. ICA would not care less unless informed. So......... there are alot of missing puzzles here. Care to fill it up for me

- to help with my decision as to whether I want to renounce or not, I wrote to CMPB to find out whether my NS liability would be heavier/lighter depending on my decision to remain a Singaporean/Australian?

Hypothetically, you have committed Exit Permit offence when you turn 13 for not applying an EP , not registering for NS pre enlistment when you turn 16 1/2 years of age and not reporting for NS when you turn 18.
If you have completed tertiary , you are again committing an offence as you are not allowed to study overseas for tertiary education prior to doing your NS. When you turn 21/22 , you did not state which citizenship to renounce but that does not erase the fact you can only renounce after doing NS first. NS liabilities is up to the age of 40. Take a guess on the penalty itself. For starters it will be $10,000 or 3 years jail or both. It cannot be any lighter than that

I believe only with this answered, I can then make a better decision as to which citizenship i should renounce

Even if you want to renounce , you cannot , as you have ICA to clear the dual citizenship issue and CMPB for your NS liability. Both works in tandem and separately pursuing different matters.

- but so far has been given the run around (1) they insisted that I should clear up my citizenship status with ICA first (2) also insisted that I come back to Singapore for "interview" in person to clear up my NS liability

Now my questions:
(1) do you know if my NS liability would be heavier/lighter depending on my decision to remain a Singaporean/Australian? Or it makes no difference?

My answer as above


(2) any idea what would happen if I come back to attend the interview? any one attended such an interview?

Take a guess, fines yes, jail high possibility

(3) do you know of any good lawyers that work in this area?

Lawyers will lead to your demise faster than Speedy Gonzales. ICA, CMPB do not like to deal with lawyer, trust me. It will be a complete waste of time. But please do not stop you to look for one if you think you want to waste your money down the drain.
There are too many questions unanswered and I hate to second guess as I am not a mind reader nor a clairvoyant. I cannot and do not like to provide advise if I do not have full details as it will affect others in the same predicament. I may sound harsh and I have seen time and time again history repeating itself. Gahmen has a very long memory and if you do a pooh on them they will remember and it will bite you on the bum. Your parents or guardians are guilty for screwing your life big time
Reply and I will see how to guide you. The choice is yours
I would be most grateful if someone could give me their thoughts.

[whitecottonlamb]

MS thanks mate, please check your pm.

[Mad Scientist]

MS thanks mate, please check your pm.

What PM ? I did not see any PM from you ?

[whitecottonlamb]

sorry Ms you are too quick.

Try now

[whitecottonlamb]

Hi MS, I have just PM you. Did you received it?

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