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Can a student pass holder and a Singaporean file for NOM?

Postby danielkohkimhoa » Mon, 04 Apr 2011 3:22 pm

Hi everyone,

I would like to check with you guys and ladies whether I can file notice of marriage for ourselves. My wife-to-be holds a student pass and I'm a Singaporean.

The dilemma lies in the fact that the marriage will be held after her studies which by then she's holding a visit pass. Nonetheless, the filing period ends when she's still required to hold the student pass. Simply speaking, can she file the notice while having student pass, considering the fact that she's getting married only after her studies? Thanks.

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Postby beppi » Mon, 04 Apr 2011 5:40 pm

Check the ROM webpage, it is very informative.
Or call them.

From what I remember (I looked this up a few years ago) any foreigner can marry in Singapore on any pass (WP needs MOM permit!) and the requirements for paperwork, duration of stay and costs are minimal.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Mon, 04 Apr 2011 5:42 pm

Apart from WP and ex WP which requires them to ask permission from MOM in order to ROM to marry a local or SPR and FDW which cannot get married at all to local or SPR, I am not sure about student pass holder
I would err to the side of caution and seek permission from MOM before you register yourself for marriage. MOM and ICA might see this is a marriage of convenience hence you have to be sure and get it in writing before walking down the aisle
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Postby danielkohkimhoa » Mon, 04 Apr 2011 5:46 pm

Hi beppi, thanks for the reply. I did try to call them but they seem to play 'ping-pong' with me. I called ROM, ROM said "you can check with ICA about the student pass issue". I called ICA, ICA said "you can check with ROM. Anyway, there's no definite answer to it". -_-

Hi Mad Scientist, I guess the concern lies more on the filing of notice of marriage. I mean by then when we are walking down the aisle, she would have finished her studies, return back to her country, and then come back for wedding. I'm not sure whether it would be alright to do so. Thanks guys...

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Re: Can a student pass holder and a Singaporean file for NOM

Postby Dr.Crooks » Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:41 am

danielkohkimhoa wrote:Hi everyone,

I would like to check with you guys and ladies whether I can file notice of marriage for ourselves. My wife-to-be holds a student pass and I'm a Singaporean.

The dilemma lies in the fact that the marriage will be held after her studies which by then she's holding a visit pass. Nonetheless, the filing period ends when she's still required to hold the student pass. Simply speaking, can she file the notice while having student pass, considering the fact that she's getting married only after her studies? Thanks.


Of course you can file a NOM as you have the right to marry anyone in the world. So you go ahead and file the NOM. If she's outside the country, you can sponsor her a visit pass , for her to attend the wedding. They may delay her PR for sometime after wedding, and make a few visits to rule out "marriage for convenience", but eventually grant a PR for her, since you are a Singaporean.

They may test your patience to see whether you put up a fight.

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Re: Can a student pass holder and a Singaporean file for NOM

Postby Mad Scientist » Fri, 08 Apr 2011 5:21 am

Dr.Crooks wrote:Of course you can file a NOM as you have the right to marry anyone in the world. So you go ahead and file the NOM.

The issue is not on the ROM itself but if ICA allows her to stay her after the marriage


If she's outside the country, you can sponsor her a visit pass , for her to attend the wedding. They may delay her PR for sometime after wedding, and make a few visits to rule out "marriage for convenience", but eventually grant a PR for her, since you are a Singaporean.

They may test your patience to see whether you put up a fight.

How would you know ? Do you have proof that this is the case ? If you do please share with us as I am as eager to know about the comments you make and what are the criterias of ICA in ruling out marriage of convenience?
Soemtimes is best to shut up rather make comments without something concrete. If you can proof to me in facts NOT ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE , I will eat a humble pie !!


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Re: Can a student pass holder and a Singaporean file for NOM

Postby danielkohkimhoa » Fri, 08 Apr 2011 9:36 am

Dr.Crooks wrote:
danielkohkimhoa wrote:Hi everyone,

I would like to check with you guys and ladies whether I can file notice of marriage for ourselves. My wife-to-be holds a student pass and I'm a Singaporean.

The dilemma lies in the fact that the marriage will be held after her studies which by then she's holding a visit pass. Nonetheless, the filing period ends when she's still required to hold the student pass. Simply speaking, can she file the notice while having student pass, considering the fact that she's getting married only after her studies? Thanks.


Of course you can file a NOM as you have the right to marry anyone in the world. So you go ahead and file the NOM. If she's outside the country, you can sponsor her a visit pass , for her to attend the wedding. They may delay her PR for sometime after wedding, and make a few visits to rule out "marriage for convenience", but eventually grant a PR for her, since you are a Singaporean.

They may test your patience to see whether you put up a fight.

Cheers!


I think perhaps I might have misled you guys on the issue. I understand that a foreigner holding student pass cannot marry unless that student wishes to have his or her deposit forfeited and get 'kicked' out of Singapore. I'm quite well versed with this regulation as the ICA officers would always tell me over the phone for the past few months.

That's the case if both of us marry and sign the ROM certificate while she's holding the student pass. But there seems to be a filing of notice required and it's usually weeks before the solemnization date. Our wedding date is rather close to her graduation date and apparently I can't file after her graduation. Lets put it this way

28 May is the wedding
13 May is the graduation date
6 May is the latest date to file the notice

If you do notice, I do need to file the notice before her graduation date. I thought of canceling her student pass and file the notice when she finishes her exam in end of april. But then, I'm not sure whether she needs a student pass to stay in Singapore and graduate especially the legal aspect. I realize this is one of the dilemmas not so frequently faced by Singaporeans.

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Re: Can a student pass holder and a Singaporean file for NOM

Postby Dr.Crooks » Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:02 pm

danielkohkimhoa wrote:28 May is the wedding
13 May is the graduation date
6 May is the latest date to file the notice

If you do notice, I do need to file the notice before her graduation date. I thought of canceling her student pass and file the notice when she finishes her exam in end of april. But then, I'm not sure whether she needs a student pass to stay in Singapore and graduate especially the legal aspect. I realize this is one of the dilemmas not so frequently faced by Singaporeans.


What exactly is your question or worry?


The more you try to explain the more complex it would get. The more you listen to others, including myself, the more confused you would get.

But the bottom line question is, whether your Wedding to her is for yourself and her OR for the rules. If both of you are full-blown adults, then you can draft your own marriage with a lawyer and schedule your wedding later. You may even register your marriage on a later date. If the two of you have self-discipline and understanding, and the patience, then all the rest will come by in time.

You have unnecessarily complicated yourself, by trying to marry amidst rules. This by itself could prove that you are marrying for convenience.

At the end of the day you are a citizen, and it is your natural right to marry anyone in this world. If not in Singapore, you can marry her in her country and pitch the family here and apply for an HDB.

If you are afraid that she may not get a SVP to stay for the wedding, after her graduation day, Please note that you can sponsor her a visit pass using which she can enter Singapore again. You can apply for a SVP for a future date, even while she is in Singapore for a student pass.

The more you try to play by the rules, the more you would goof up.

At the end of the day "ITS YOUR LIFE".. and you should know how to stand up for your right.

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Re: Can a student pass holder and a Singaporean file for NOM

Postby danielkohkimhoa » Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:15 pm

Dr.Crooks wrote:
danielkohkimhoa wrote:28 May is the wedding
13 May is the graduation date
6 May is the latest date to file the notice

If you do notice, I do need to file the notice before her graduation date. I thought of canceling her student pass and file the notice when she finishes her exam in end of april. But then, I'm not sure whether she needs a student pass to stay in Singapore and graduate especially the legal aspect. I realize this is one of the dilemmas not so frequently faced by Singaporeans.


What exactly is your question or worry?


The more you try to explain the more complex it would get. The more you listen to others, including myself, the more confused you would get.

But the bottom line question is, whether your Wedding to her is for yourself and her OR for the rules. If both of you are full-blown adults, then you can draft your own marriage with a lawyer and schedule your wedding later. You may even register your marriage on a later date. If the two of you have self-discipline and understanding, and the patience, then all the rest will come by in time.

You have unnecessarily complicated yourself, by trying to marry amidst rules. This by itself could prove that you are marrying for convenience.

At the end of the day you are a citizen, and it is your natural right to marry anyone in this world. If not in Singapore, you can marry her in her country and pitch the family here and apply for an HDB.

If you are afraid that she may not get a SVP to stay for the wedding, after her graduation day, Please note that you can sponsor her a visit pass using which she can enter Singapore again. You can apply for a SVP for a future date, even while she is in Singapore for a student pass.

The more you try to play by the rules, the more you would goof up.

At the end of the day "ITS YOUR LIFE".. and you should know how to stand up for your right.

cheers!


Ha, looks like you still don't understand my question yet. It's alright, i'll try to source the answer. Thanks everyone for your help! :)

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Postby Mad Scientist » Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:30 pm

danielkohkimhoa wrote:
Dr.Crooks wrote:
danielkohkimhoa wrote:28 May is the wedding
13 May is the graduation date
6 May is the latest date to file the notice



Ha, looks like you still don't understand my question yet. It's alright, i'll try to source the answer. Thanks everyone for your help! :)


Daniel ; It is a bit stretch on your dates. Not sure if you can get by on this with ICA. You cannot cancel her student pass while right after her exams , she will definitely will be ask to leave within 7 or 14 days right after Student Pass cancelation. Please be aware of this

Can you delay your ROM here. ?

Why don't you do it overseas first then here ?
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Postby danielkohkimhoa » Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:36 pm

Mad Scientist wrote:
danielkohkimhoa wrote:
Dr.Crooks wrote:
danielkohkimhoa wrote:28 May is the wedding
13 May is the graduation date
6 May is the latest date to file the notice



Ha, looks like you still don't understand my question yet. It's alright, i'll try to source the answer. Thanks everyone for your help! :)


Daniel ; It is a bit stretch on your dates. Not sure if you can get by on this with ICA. You cannot cancel her student pass while right after her exams , she will definitely will be ask to leave within 7 or 14 days right after Student Pass cancelation. Please be aware of this

Can you delay your ROM here. ?

Why don't you do it overseas first then here ?


In the past, she did cancel her student pass and was given a one-month short-term visit pass. I guess during that one month I can file the notice, for sure. :)

Actually the option I have in mind is to wait until her exams are over then cancel the student pass and within that one month period file the notice. But I was thinking to file earlier and get it over and done with. I guess I'll visit the ICA personally this weekend and ask on that issue. Once I get the answer, I'll post it here for everyone's general knowledge. Thanks Mad scientist. :)

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 08 Apr 2011 4:01 pm

Since a foreigner on an SVP can file notice/marry in SG, the question would appear simple.

- Can a foreigner on a Student visa file Notice to Marry at ROM?

(In my opinion that should not be confused with any question of whether a foreigner on a Student visa can marry in SG.)

Surely that is a question for ROM, and not ICA?

p.s. From experience I'd suggest that you definitely want to have notice filed more than 3 weeks prior. You'll have enough on your plate by them without worrying about ROM filing!

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Postby danielkohkimhoa » Fri, 08 Apr 2011 4:41 pm

JR8 wrote:Since a foreigner on an SVP can file notice/marry in SG, the question would appear simple.

- Can a foreigner on a Student visa file Notice to Marry at ROM?

(In my opinion that should not be confused with any question of whether a foreigner on a Student visa can marry in SG.)

Surely that is a question for ROM, and not ICA?

p.s. From experience I'd suggest that you definitely want to have notice filed more than 3 weeks prior. You'll have enough on your plate by them without worrying about ROM filing!


Hi JR8, thanks for the reply. i tried calling ROM and ICA, but both refer me to each other until no solution. So I guess I have to make a trip to ICA this weekend and find out. I tried googling the answer, but can't find it. So I guess it's a good source of knowledge for us here. I'll update you guys..

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 08 Apr 2011 5:14 pm

It seems crazy, as it appears so straight forward :? I suspect it is one of those rather non-standard questions that SGn customer services people so often seem unable/unwilling to answer and so 'pass the buck'.

Maybe phrase it differently.

- Is there any reason why a foreigner on a student visa can not file at ROM?

or

- Are there any visa types that restrict a foreigner from filing for marriage at ROM?

p.s. Since your question relates to filing (an issue over which ICA would seem to have no jurisdiction) why not visit ROM rather than ICA? Plus ROM is nice and calm, small, very friendly/smiley compared to the zoo/stress of ICA.

Alternatively go through the process of on-line ROM filing, filling in the form, (but do not submit) and look if it makes any reference to foreigner's visa type.

Anyway, feedback when you find the solution will be useful for the forum.

Good luck! :)


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