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Spass is rejected, appeal to consider for EP, possible?

Postby xion05 » Wed, 30 Mar 2011 4:49 pm

Hi,
Pls suggest something for my friend's problem.
He got a job but his S'pass was rejected.
Because company has no quota for S'pass.
So, they want to appeal and request to consider EP.
Is it possible?
If not, what should b the procedure to get work pass for him?
Thanks for any reply.

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Re: Spass is rejected, appeal to consider for EP, possible?

Postby ecureilx » Wed, 30 Mar 2011 5:16 pm

xion05 wrote:Hi,
Pls suggest something for my friend's problem.
He got a job but his S'pass was rejected.
Because company has no quota for S'pass.
So, they want to appeal and request to consider EP.
Is it possible?
If not, what should b the procedure to get work pass for him?
Thanks for any reply.


Since no replies yet, let me drop you some pointers: MOM knows that it is common ruse for those who got rejected for S pass applying for E Pass with the pay difference paid back ....

Unless the person did hold the proper eligibility (other than salary) for E pass .. and MOM dumped him / her to S pass, and then rejected - has happened - E Pass applications get downgraded to S Pass based on eligibility, and then rejected ..

And for the appeals, and requests for they are very tight in this .. unless he/she applies for another employer/job. And offer a salary higher than the 1,850/- (as most applications go - instead of like 2,200 and S pass) .

I am a bit lost as to why the employer didn't know they didn't have any more quota ..

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 30 Mar 2011 5:31 pm

If their turnover is rather high (like our is) it's often difficult and the quota's are determined by the previous three month's running average (kind of like the Prevailing COE premiums) but not including the month just finished. So it does get rather aggravating at times. A lot also depend on the dependency ratios as, depending on the quantity of staff they have (Local/PR's) the dependency ratio may well leave them with fractionated quotas, and you can never tell which way MOM is going to go.

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Postby ecureilx » Wed, 30 Mar 2011 5:47 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:If their turnover is rather high (like our is) it's often difficult and the quota's are determined by the previous three month's running average (kind of like the Prevailing COE premiums) but not including the month just finished. So it does get rather aggravating at times. A lot also depend on the dependency ratios as, depending on the quantity of staff they have (Local/PR's) the dependency ratio may well leave them with fractionated quotas, and you can never tell which way MOM is going to go.


Atleast, once, before I got my blue IC, I was caught up with a silly employer, who kept insinuating that the problem was with me, and when I managed to seek the duty officer, he reviewed the company CPF contribution form, and asked mildy "am I supposed to believe that the company pays 4 staff just 600 $ a month when even coffee shop aunty gets paid more than that ? It is obvious that your boss inflated the local ratio .. "

Lessons .. hence also was my urgency to grab the Blue card when it came ..

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 30 Mar 2011 5:48 pm

The phenomenon is known as "phantom workers". :o

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Postby ecureilx » Wed, 30 Mar 2011 5:53 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:The phenomenon is known as "phantom workers". :o


predating phantom workers - the others on the payroll didn't have any other job - just on the payroll, like his Sister, mother, cousin etc. etc .. :)

Well, that also opened my eyes from blaming myself when the pass applications get shot .. especially when the employer is small ..

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Postby jimmychen8080 » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 1:35 pm

my colleague was rejected to renew his S Pass, but company applied EP to him. It was approved.

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Re: Spass is rejected, appeal to consider for EP, possible?

Postby sgbenben » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 6:21 pm

ecureilx wrote:
xion05 wrote:Hi,

I am a bit lost as to why the employer didn't know they didn't have any more quota ..


I guessed sometime manpower agent tried to collect some money from disqualified applicant as part of handling fee in advance and need a MOM rejection form to be given back to applicant without refund.

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Re: Spass is rejected, appeal to consider for EP, possible?

Postby ecureilx » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 6:27 pm

sgbenben wrote:I guessed sometime manpower agent tried to collect some money from disqualified applicant as part of handling fee in advance and need a MOM rejection form to be given back to applicant without refund.


Not sure about your statement, but as much as there dirty agents, there are enough honest agents, who would have made the same mistake - and some employers are good in making up 'numbers' and agents don't know until the paperwork goes in .. (or electronic work .. )

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Postby ksl » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 6:58 pm

Some Malay workers with degree are being rejected S pass, but are getting work permits, probably because the degree is not excepted. EP or S is not likely unless it is an established university on the Singapore list of accepted universities.

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Postby charles.y » Fri, 22 Apr 2011 11:55 am

Yes, I think you can. Just pay the fee again

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Postby Mad Scientist » Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:29 pm

ksl wrote:Some Malay workers with degree are being rejected S pass, but are getting work permits, probably because the degree is not excepted. EP or S is not likely unless it is an established university on the Singapore list of accepted universities.


Not entirely true KSL, even if the applicant Uni is on MOM list. Malay workers getting EP is far more difficult comparing to sifting thru the soil for dinosaurs' bones.
I have gone thru this process for my staff before and I failed terribly
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