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Post by Nath21 » Mon, 28 Mar 2011 3:09 pm

Any help appreciated:

Wife was linked as spouse to my employment pass;
She got her own job and company couldn’t work out how to employ here so they signed her up to her own EP;
Wife job has ceased and she is now on visitor pass for 30 days ending 7th April;
She cannot get back onto my EP as I have resigned and me EP ends 30th April and you need 3 months time on your EP for a spouse to get back on;
She applied for a short term visitor pass extension online and was rejected (doesn’t know why).

Plan is to leave on the 19th April (flights booked) so all we need is an extension for 12 days.

My thoughts try a face to face at the ICA but in the FAQ on the website it states:

Q5: If the online application is rejected, can I try to submit another online application again?
A: When you apply online, you have agreed that you will not seek further extension irrespective of the outcome of the online application. You should not submit another online application if your earlier application had been rejected since each application would have been processed carefully.

Any thoughts on how to deal with it or around it. Alternative is she goes home early with my daughter (which is a large inconvenience), or goes in and out of Singapore but she is pregnant and there is a risk she might not get back in as well.

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Post by ecureilx » Mon, 28 Mar 2011 4:33 pm

Nath21 wrote: Q5: If the online application is rejected, can I try to submit another online application again?
A: When you apply online, you have agreed that you will not seek further extension irrespective of the outcome of the online application. You should not submit another online application if your earlier application had been rejected since each application would have been processed carefully.

Any thoughts on how to deal with it or around it. Alternative is she goes home early with my daughter (which is a large inconvenience), or goes in and out of Singapore but she is pregnant and there is a risk she might not get back in as well.
You can go to ICA, with a Singaporean/PR along with his/her IC, and seek an extension. As long as the reasons are valid, ICA considers extension, despite the words on the site ..

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 28 Mar 2011 5:50 pm

Yeah, they are surprisingly human when it's necessary and not really a deliberate screw up on the pass holder's fault.
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Post by Nath21 » Tue, 29 Mar 2011 9:58 am

Not very human at all. Access to Singapore for another 12 days denied even with flights booked and paid. This country is really quite small minded some times.

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Post by Ginner-Sg » Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:01 am

Nath21 wrote:Not very human at all. Access to Singapore for another 12 days denied even with flights booked and paid. This country is really quite small minded some times.

So they are saying no then, go to JB for the day and come bk. Got to let you in cause flights booked from the Airport. Just a idea.

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Post by ecureilx » Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:56 am

Ginner-Sg wrote:
Nath21 wrote:Not very human at all. Access to Singapore for another 12 days denied even with flights booked and paid. This country is really quite small minded some times.

So they are saying no then, go to JB for the day and come bk. Got to let you in cause flights booked from the Airport. Just a idea.
Not gonna rain on your parade, bu ICA sees a lot of sob stories, and it is hard for them to sort out the truth from fiction .. like a guy I know who was refused extension and feeling bad, as he insisted it was his first visit here .. etc etc... went with him to ICA and while in ICA upon scanning his finger print, the officer asked about his W Stamp, and he adamantly says he was refused entry 'on another passport, not this one' and it is ICA's role to issue him an extension .. I stopped volunteering myself for any visa extension, ever since ..

AS for calling Singapore as small minded, well, let me say - that is more reason you should be junked out of Singapore .. try visiting US, with an Asian passport, and tell me how easy it is to go there ..

As for telling your flight is booked out of Singapore, ICA sees similar ploys on an hourly basis - and more often than ever, I have heard ICA telling the people something like "Well, it is cheaper for you to fly KL to your home, as there are a lot of budget carriers .." and to quote the best complaint I heard from a person who was refused entry - she was yelling at the ICA staff saying "WHO WILL PAY FOR MY HOTEL - I HAVE BOOKED AND PAID FOR ONE WEEK IN FULLERTON .. DAMN YOU GUYS, MY MONEY IS ALL WASTED .. I HAVE MET ALL YOUR REQUIREMENTS " etc .. etc ..

The officer just said "talk to my senior officer if you want to appeal .. " and a good samaritan was trying to cool the girl, and the girl goes on that she had been staying in HK for almost 5 years, on and off, on tourist visits .. something that probably sent alarm bells ringing for the ICA staff and no country in the world need to justify why they rejected your entry... especially if you are on a tourist visa ..

Well, even for those countries where you apply for visa, on arrival, still you can be refused entry and no reasons given .. To quote our neighbour in Malaysia - once when I was arriving in KLIA, one of the officers shouted in a loud voice "ALL PASSENGERS FROM BANGLADESH, PLEASE THIS WAY AND PLEASE BE SEATED .. " and the place he pointed had, well, no seats .. some guys commented that they are picking on Bangladeshis' and the others knew better than to be good samaritans ..

People should stop berating Singapore as if it is an exception...

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Post by ecureilx » Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:01 am

Ginner-Sg wrote:So they are saying no then, go to JB for the day and come bk. Got to let you in cause flights booked from the Airport. Just a idea.
To add on, leaving the country is the worst thing you could do .. while i was fighting for my EP about 10 years ago, I got extensions here, every 3 weeks, and appeals following the extension .. and once I made the mistake of going to JB and I hated myself for it .. upon return, despite all my crying and everything, the officers kept saying "NO ENTRY" etc. etc.. after making me sweat for an hour plus in the waiting room in Woodlands, he relented .. and said why I left the country while my pass was under appeal .. and adviced not to leave the country and the chance of getting rejected at return is higher ..

My 2 cents, though others may still call Singapore as silly people .. and what was that ?? NOT VERY HUMAN AT ALL .. :D :D

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Post by Nath21 » Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:11 am

Thanks for the responses I have talked out of doing the JB or Batam run. As to small minded country thats my opinion whether they have seen 100 sob stories or not my wife should be allowed to stay until my ep is up. Its ridiculous in the first place that they wont allow her back on my EP as a spouse just because i dont have 3 months left on it. She was accepted as my spouse before but not now? Not very family orientated decision making. Im not dissing the people just the government bureaucracy.

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Post by ecureilx » Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:30 am

Nath21 wrote:As to small minded country thats my opinion whether they have seen 100 sob stories or not my wife should be allowed to stay until my ep is up.
That is your view - and what gives that they should do what you want to be done ?? If you are so angry with Singapore and they are small minded - ever thought of calling it quits now, instead of waiting in this small-minded country ?? :D :D
Its ridiculous in the first place that they wont allow her back on my EP as a spouse just because i dont have 3 months left on it. She was accepted as my spouse before but not now? Not very family orientated decision making. Im not dissing the people just the government bureaucracy.
So you say, so you say ... if Singapore was like DRC or some country, well, you wouldn't say .. and if Singapore decides to open the flood gates - then it's population would baloon to 100 million or more .. considering this place being one of the most prosperous country in this region - heck, even Malaysians work here to earn the mega $ ..

If you have a beef against the govt, you should approach your MP or ask for a one-to-one meeting at ICA .. rather than bashing the system in place .. ah - yes, I been at the same receiving end, and only then I realised that ICA has strict rules in place so as to avoid abuses .. though one or two innocent person does get caught up ..

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Post by Nath21 » Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:19 pm

I like you response, basically get out if you dont like it. Well I agree with you I dont like it and im trying to get out. But let me give you another example of how pathetic this country bureaucracy is. One of very many I have from my short time here.

After this all has happened above with social pass extension the tax office sent my wifes company and herself a tax bill which both paid. They refunded the company and not her. Now the records show the company hasnt paid the bill even though my wife has and she dosent have tax clearance to leave Singapore even though she is being kicked out and has paid. That my sir is a joke and a bad one at that.

As to your premise i cant call a country small minded. Your argument rests on myself calling it that based on it not doing what I want. Thats wrong its small minded because it cant see substance over form. It allowed my wife on spouse visa to come here but wont recognise her now because she worked here.

Most likely some pen pusher met some kpi here.

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Post by ecureilx » Tue, 29 Mar 2011 2:05 pm

Nath21 wrote:I like you response, basically get out if you dont like it. Well I agree with you I dont like it and im trying to get out. But let me give you another example of how pathetic this country bureaucracy is. One of very many I have from my short time here.
Where exactly are you from ?? I mean, comparatively, does your country have a better bureaucracy than in Singapore ? I am just miffed about your anger ...
Most likely some pen pusher met some kpi here.
Not funny any more .. :cry: :cry: :cry:

My 2 cents ?? you are not telling the full picture and you are sounding pretty desperate enough to call names on the govt .. Good luck to you and I wonder why I was even bothering to reply you and advice you earlier

Over and out ..

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HI

Post by ratnamst » Tue, 29 Mar 2011 4:31 pm

I understand your feeling.. I came to know like this few occasions.
Singapore system some time funny.. say example, parents are PR but child is not PR. even he born here no PR. see how many few months babies are waiting the long term visit pass at ICA.
i can tell lot ... this is not a family oriented country as you said.. MNC company...no job quit the company-leave the country..
The reason about low birthrate inevitable...

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Post by Saint » Tue, 29 Mar 2011 4:35 pm

ratnamst wrote:I understand your feeling.. I came to know like this few occasions.
Singapore system some time funny.. say example, parents are PR but child is not PR. even he born here no PR. see how many few months babies are waiting the long term visit pass at ICA. i can tell lot ... this is not a family oriented country as you said.. MNC company...no job quit the company-leave the country..
The reason about low birthrate inevitable...
I think you'll find this is the parents of little Johnny not wanting him to be PR!

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Post by Mad Scientist » Tue, 29 Mar 2011 4:39 pm

Nath; Can you get someone from your work place, an ex-colleague, a local to be a sponsor for you while you sort out your stuff.

For the IRA tax things, go to IRA office is the best advise to sort this out or else she cannot leaves the country when the clock stop ticking.

PM me if you need help. Good luck

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Post by ecureilx » Tue, 29 Mar 2011 5:49 pm

ratnamst wrote:I understand your feeling.. I came to know like this few occasions.
Singapore system some time funny.. say example, parents are PR but child is not PR. even he born here no PR. see how many few months babies are waiting the long term visit pass at ICA.
i can tell lot ... this is not a family oriented country as you said.. MNC company...no job quit the company-leave the country..
The reason about low birthrate inevitable...
Wonderful man.. you have found the solution to solve every problem in this country ..

So tell me again, why exactly you chose Singapore ?? other than the fantastic pay ?? :D

You want Singapore to be like Australia or US or Europe with a million and more immigrants living illegally and off the state ?? :D If Singapore had a lax system, there will me 10 refugees for every citizen/resident .. no kidding ..

Not gonna trade punches but I guess that is what is bugging you.

As for MS : from what I know, I don't remember anybody being stopped at the point of departure for not paying taxes, though the system can finally find you out, depending upon how much is the tax assesment ..

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