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Postby x9200 » Tue, 22 Mar 2011 8:37 am

@ksl ...but please go back to what franky-MS has written. It looks like we are talking about 2 different things. Otherwise, go ahead and check CoA for your vinegars. If you have them, you will probably see Iodine on the list of so called micro-elements. This is the I-127 isotope (majority at least). Now, that the fear and common belief (always easy to capitalize on) are already here you may sell the vinegar to franky-MS as all what's below is true:

- I-127 may prevent I-131 (the nasty isotope from the nuclear plant) to accumulate in the thyroid
- there is a risk of an increased exposure to I-131 as the result of the Japanese nuclear crisis (the extra dose would be probably less then from eating 1 banana but who cares).

And most importantly it will be ethical as you seem to believe too in the real danger here and now.

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Postby ksl » Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:21 am

x9200 wrote:@ksl ...but please go back to what franky-MS has written. It looks like we are talking about 2 different things. Otherwise, go ahead and check CoA for your vinegars. If you have them, you will probably see Iodine on the list of so called micro-elements. This is the I-127 isotope (majority at least). Now, that the fear and common belief (always easy to capitalize on) are already here you may sell the vinegar to franky-MS as all what's below is true:

- I-127 may prevent I-131 (the nasty isotope from the nuclear plant) to accumulate in the thyroid
- there is a risk of an increased exposure to I-131 as the result of the Japanese nuclear crisis (the extra dose would be probably less then from eating 1 banana but who cares).

And most importantly it will be ethical as you seem to believe too in the real danger here and now.


I don't see any real danger here and now, though there could be on melt down., and probably the reason for many people leaving don't you think, I don't see it at all as sensationalism rather more like taking precautionary measures due to lack of knowledge.

I-127 is stable 1-131 as a half life of 8 days so are you are saying the vinegar is a better prevention because of the stability of I-127.

One must consume the right foods for protection if no tablets are available, though isn't the problem on the actual dosage of direct exposure say 400

Only have to eat the right foods if no tablets are available :)

http://greenupgrader.com/14977/radiatio ... r-thyroid/

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Postby franky-MS » Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:40 am

@x9200:

In my opinion the society is usually divided by the people following the anouncements and these which are wondering or questioning.
When the catastrophe started in Japan, just a small reminder, the number of dead people has been anounced within 900.
And any complications in the reactors have been "unlikely" or even "very unlikely". After the first explosion, a next one was "very unlikely", when the fire started, everything became "unlikely".
So you beleived that 900 people died, or later the 2000, 3000, 5000, 20.000?. And no radiation is coming further than the 20 kilometers,ups, 30 kilometers ( "unlikely") belt around Fukushima ? You just adapt your beleive to the actual anouncements?
Sorry, in my opinion this is somehow naiv. There is no chance to evacuate Tokio. Or Japan? So what kind of anouncements you expect from the officials? Anything else than: Now we build up again to keep the face?
And Singaporeans are checking the radiation of items from japan- and they are not alone with this.
You share the opinion with @ Brah that anywayjust a part of the food is coming from japan- production? Have you been ever in Japan???? Instead of counting the percentage of the assortment coverage, maybe it would be more interesting to see the weight of the items. Like rice? One item in a long list. But who is eating in Japan rice from China???

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Postby x9200 » Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:43 pm

Franky-MS, it is about common sense based on the knowledge not beliefs. I am not in the very area but a similar one and similarly prone to all sorts of misconceptions. Checking radiation level in some coming goods do not make them unsafe. This is just a reasonable precaution for some and a source of speculations and conspiracy theories for the others...

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Postby franky-MS » Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:57 pm

Got your point-
Nothing against your opinion or you personally.
Just my own opinion regarding official anouncements changed through the last couple of years...
On the other hand as an aware consumer i would also prefer to have the choice:
Eat spinach with radiation above 10.000 bcq or not.
And if the WHO assosiation put a level of 100 bcq as not harmful (believe it or not-) and JP might state that 12.000 is still apropriate for people, it is my thing to decide.
Just viewed the message now that "unlikely",but there are again two smoke spots above the reactors.
For me a precaution means starting to be suspicious.
Why a minister in JP can not come with a helicopter into the area when it is raining?
But in the same time sending heroes to the plant...

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Postby x9200 » Tue, 22 Mar 2011 1:02 pm

ksl wrote:I-127 is stable 1-131 as a half life of 8 days so are you are saying the vinegar is a better prevention because of the stability of I-127.

Taking I-127 in excess you simply reduce probability that the radioactive isotope will be used by the thyroid gland. It will reduce the uptake of Iodine because it will be already "saturated" with it. Half day life of 8 days indicates very radioactive material so a lot of damage and possible mutations.

And unfortunately it does not need to be vinegar :)


One must consume the right foods for protection if no tablets are available, though isn't the problem on the actual dosage of direct exposure say 400

Only have to eat the right foods if no tablets are available :)

Marine salt for example.

http://greenupgrader.com/14977/radiatio ... r-thyroid/

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Postby Plavt » Tue, 22 Mar 2011 2:12 pm

franky-MS wrote: But who is eating in Japan rice from China???


I don't know if you are referring to my post earlier but just about everybody, Japan doesn't suffice it's own food needs.

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Postby QRM » Tue, 22 Mar 2011 2:39 pm

ev-disinfection wrote:.... if something were to happen to our water supply, then we won't be able to cope....... :(


Water supply? how about if something were to happen to Singapore's Gas, Oil, Petrol and food supplies not to mention the hundreds of thousand foreign workers.

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Postby ksl » Tue, 22 Mar 2011 2:51 pm

QRM wrote:
ev-disinfection wrote:.... if something were to happen to our water supply, then we won't be able to cope....... :(


Water supply? how about if something were to happen to Singapore's Gas, Oil, Petrol and food supplies not to mention the hundreds of thousand foreign workers.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Ev-disinfection will have to learn how to make a solar still, using his/her urine and the sun's evaporation technique :lol:
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Postby franky-MS » Tue, 22 Mar 2011 2:59 pm

@plavt

Yes, of course you are right.
On the other hand you might know a bit about the Japanese market and customer buying behavior.
Own supply is in Japan 1st choice. The first country in my life visited with rice- colour ratings between white and even whiter!
Reading today about the contermination of the ocean waters around the power plant, you can easily imagine, what will happen e.g.: to the famous sushi :cry: .
The people in Japan are very brave, no question. I have the feeling that the whole world might be more concerned than the locals. Real heros. I would have run away quite some time ago...
And to provide food- import to Japan is already not easy with todays` legal restrictions. And to import rice to Japan...

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 22 Mar 2011 4:26 pm

It would appear that Japan IS self-sufficient in rice. At least according to this article (although some the data is a couple of years old.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ ... 226i1.html

http://www.thebioenergysite.com/article ... eport-2010

While there are imports, it's not a part of making up a shortfall of their own production. Their consumption of rice per capita has been decreasing annually since 1962.

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 22 Mar 2011 5:09 pm

Yeah nowadays youth has a taste for McDonalds :) You can spot the ones from 'modern' families, the sons are 6' tall by 18 years old lol.

Japan is pretty much self-sufficient in rice. It is a matter of national pride. Imported rice (not for diversity of types available, but to supplement the local harvest) is regarded as bordering on evil. I recall when I lived there there being horror over rice having to be imported from Thailand, it was a national story. In fact there were grass-roots housewives campaigns and rallies to try and stop it!

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Postby ksl » Tue, 22 Mar 2011 5:56 pm

The Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency said that radiation seeping into the environment is a concern and needs to be monitored. "We are still in an accident that is still in a very serious situation," said Graham Andrew, senior adviser to IAEA chief Yukiya Amano.

IAEA monitoring stations have detected radiation 1,600 times higher than normal levels — but in an area about 12 miles (20 kilometers) from the power station, the limit of the evacuation area declared by the government last week.

Radiation at that level, while not high for a single burst, could harm health if sustained. If projected to last three days, radiation at those levels would U.S. authorities would order an evacuation as a precaution.

It looks like 2000 ton of old fuel rods have started boiling and giving off steam, I think the pressure has been released to stop it from blowing, so this steam will be potentially dangerous if it lingers for several days. Though this area is evacuated last week.

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Postby Plavt » Tue, 22 Mar 2011 6:00 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:It would appear that Japan IS self-sufficient in rice. At least according to this article (although some the data is a couple of years old.



Seems I didn't remember correctly what I read (which was some time ago :oops: ). My source being; 'The Japanese Today' written by the late Edwin O.Reishauer the former American ambassador. What he actually said was 'American rice could be off-loaded in Japanese ports at only a fith of the cost of domestic rice.' The reason being; 'generous farm subsidies keep food prices much higher in Japan than in the world market.'

Please note the book was written some time with the last update in 1994 (that I am aware of) according to which there was 30 percent defecit in overall food needs. Hope this clarifies things apart from showing how well things are remembered when you haven't been reading for a while. :oops:

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Postby ev-disinfection » Tue, 22 Mar 2011 6:38 pm

Hey guys, what would you like to have with you, in a disaster.

I would like to have :
01, a solar powered motor which generates electricity.
02, Diving gear, in case of a super flood, and all the shops with stuff are underwater.
03, an electric water generator, that produces clean drinking water from moisture,
Hyflux has one that produces 20 liters of water a day.
04, a boat / dingy / kayak.
05, Tool box. in case i need to build something.

What about you?


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