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Postby JR8 » Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:59 pm

ev-disinfection wrote:My experience with mary j was when i was 15, SGD 8.00 Buddha sticks, bought 20 sticks and would shake off for my daily ration, then there was the upp johns, eramin, heroin. Used to roll joints and head off to Brannigans.

chasing the dragon..... had to be creative thinking of bongs to create...

In Thailand, man the shit would be still damp when you got it, 20 bucks would be ration for 20 guys / gals for a whole day... Those were the days my friend.....


As Lemmy from Motorhead (the ultimate hard living guy) said:
'Heroine is the only stuff that I've seen kill people. First it turns you into a dog and then a thief and a whore. And then you die with an embolism in your arm in a public toilet, I don't think so*'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh-pAykfQ-8


* i.e. no thanks!

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Postby ksl » Fri, 11 Mar 2011 1:57 pm

To be honest, I have a son that smokes pretty regular, and I get a first hand experience of how it can make some people very negative to the outside world. My philosophy in life is that if you cannot do without it 90% of your time, then you have serious problem with reality.

It's the same with alcohol, people use the shit not to socialise and to have a one off experience, but to get smashed out of their heads, and all this crap of music sound better, is of course all in the mind.

Dealing with life is first priority and if you cannot do that, you shouldn't be indulging, other than that i have nothing else against it.

I think it's sad that people have to try to escape life in general, and I've seen far too many wasters in my life, that i avoid them like the plague.

Some people do get creative inspiration on it, so it does have some good points too. It's a matter of priorities and responsibilities first.

Though I suspect that, some people are susceptible too psychosis, and they should stay well away from it, it does have dangers and the statistics have been around long enough to prove that.

Not to forget, that probably all those poor suicide bombers, have had sufficient to induce them into killing mode. In the ME it is known as the assassin for a reason. as it either makes you paranoid or fearless, with no sense of reason, you just do it.

At least with alcohol, the reaction time creeps up on you more slowly, that all of a sudden you are pissed, and too inebriated to do anything. After a joint your on some sort of a schizophrenic ego trip, and people see the difference. That introvert becomes a pain in the arse for example and that extrovert becomes a bigger pain in the arse.

Sad that people have to do it and drag others down with them :-| as it's all about cashing in on an illegal substance. Is it really worth the jail time ?

My son should know he's been nicked 5 times and serves him right, he also prefers it to alcohol, i have no sympathy, if they cannot handle acohol which is approved by some governments, then it's just tough s--t. Do the crime you do the time, and it screws your CV good and proper if caught..

I mean we have to be reasonable here, the world is full of addicts. So they have a problem, and cannot face their problem. Those that are not addicted are probably just okay with the odd one now and then. Plague
and pests can destroy your children ask some of the families that have to suffer their children stealing from them for their fix.

Why am I suddenly thinking of Blade Runner :???:

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Postby JayCee » Fri, 11 Mar 2011 2:54 pm

If I was walking home late at night in (insert English market town here) I'd rather walk past a couple of guys who were stoned after having a couple of reefers than a couple of guys who were drunk after 8 pints each!

Although auntie batty is first hand proof of what happens when you smoke too much!

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Postby ksl » Fri, 11 Mar 2011 3:05 pm

JayCee wrote:If I was walking home late at night in (insert English market town here) I'd rather walk past a couple of guys who were stoned after having a couple of reefers than a couple of guys who were drunk after 8 pints each!

Although auntie batty is first hand proof of what happens when you smoke too much!
The housewife syndrome shouldn't be mocked, there's a lot of stubborn women and men around, that have their own opinions, which is fair dinkum. I could never for example convince my brother to vote conservative, it's the mindset that is at fault and that is never easy to expand for locals a more worldly outlook is encouraged, with research before jumping the gun.

I'd rather walk past a couple of guys who were stoned after having a couple of reefers
That would also depend if the guys were planning to rob you, for their next fix :)

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Postby JayCee » Fri, 11 Mar 2011 3:47 pm

ksl wrote: That would also depend if the guys were planning to rob you, for their next fix :)


This is true, but I've never seen cannabis as a drug that people need a "fix" of. I've known dozens of people over the years who smoke weed and for them it was a casual thing and it didn't affect their professional or private lives, much the same as going to the pub and having a few drinks. Of course, some people will take it too far but then some people take it too far with alcohol and rob people to get money to buy that too, yet it's legal and socially acceptable to drink.

If it was 2 smackheads walking past me, I agree 100% but then I would never endorse the legalisation of class A drugs as they really do cause problems

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Postby ev-disinfection » Fri, 11 Mar 2011 3:51 pm

Well, i believe in trying out something at least once,
And i agree with KSL that we should do things in moderation,
Too much of a good or bad thing is bad... :cool:

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 11 Mar 2011 4:50 pm

Ultimately the problem with Class A drugs is that they are expensive. And so users invariably end up thieving to fund their habit.

The other problem of course is that they kill people. This is because the quality is unregulated. So it's like Russian roulette, one bad hit and you're dead.

The solution is to legalise all drugs and regulate a safe and stable quality supply of Class A drugs. Countries like the UK are long beyond where Singapore is in hoping to outlaw drug use. Most drug crime in the UK isn't even prosecuted for lords sake.

Something shocking like 80% of all crime is drug related.

[Warning: Cliche alert!!] It is the elephant in the room over which no political party is willing to bite the bullet!



p.s. I don't think weed is addictive per se. But an issue is that it tends to define the group of people that you hang out with. I.e. you hang out with a bunch of stoners. The issue is that someone in that group is probably going to be doing speed or coke and have access to that supply. So it doesn't lead to harder drugs because you necessarily crave them, but it can because of your social circle and that you have access to them.

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Postby tyianchang » Fri, 11 Mar 2011 6:05 pm

ev-disinfection wrote:My experience with mary j was when i was 15, SGD 8.00 Buddha sticks, bought 20 sticks and would shake off for my daily ration, then there was the upp johns, eramin, heroin. Used to roll joints and head off to Brannigans.

chasing the dragon..... had to be creative thinking of bongs to create...

In Thailand, man the shit would be still damp when you got it, 20 bucks would be ration for 20 guys / gals for a whole day... Those were the days my friend.....


Ev-D, you surprised me, and with a nice one. I suppose the stuff's everywhere - in Malaysia in the 70s, it was the cool thing and we'd have someone with the little red rollers and a packet of tobacco rolling a joint or two. Shit, grass, dope are extensions of maryj.
When I was in India, there were Marijuana plants growing over the hills in Rishikesh and the locals showed us how to make the black stuff by rubbing the tips of plants with both hands.
I never really dig that stuff, but got to try it to know it. All that 70s psychedelics and hippy culture; what's really enduring to me, is the love and peace movement. And that, from my experience is a phenomenon, and what I'd love the US for.
Regarding the danger it poses, I agree categorically, that smoking and esp. long term users are off this planet and might be in a permanent state of psychosis. Erm... the Texan guy sounds perfectly fine and very decent too; I don't know if he needs any stimulants to make him better than he already is.
The money behind it all, means it's no longer pure and natural but adulterated with dangerous toxic chemicals.
Today in the UK, there must be much of the stuff going round with people making a living out of it. But it's a scene completely different from the 70s, it's without a philosophy, politics or aspirations. Kids in some schools speak openly about it if their social life is centered round rapping. We have a high rate of youth crimes and every other week, a child gets killed. Is that drugs related? Wonder if anyone's done any research into this area?
As far as I'm aware, in Europe, Amsterdam is one state that legalises marijuana. I don't think Vietnam is involved with growing grass or exporting it, IMHO。
On the whole though, I bet ideology's much more potent than drugs, esp in a drugged society. Good old Karl Marx was quick to point out; but try not to link the PRC with ideaology. I believe it's stepped up.
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Postby tyianchang » Fri, 11 Mar 2011 6:07 pm

ksl wrote:
JayCee wrote:If I was walking home late at night in (insert English market town here) I'd rather walk past a couple of guys who were stoned after having a couple of reefers than a couple of guys who were drunk after 8 pints each!

Although auntie batty is first hand proof of what happens when you smoke too much!
The housewife syndrome shouldn't be mocked, there's a lot of stubborn women and men around, that have their own opinions, which is fair dinkum. I could never for example convince my brother to vote conservative, it's the mindset that is at fault and that is never easy to expand for locals a more worldly outlook is encouraged, with research before jumping the gun.

I'd rather walk past a couple of guys who were stoned after having a couple of reefers
That would also depend if the guys were planning to rob you, for their next fix :)


You need to walk past your own distorted self. I 'm sick of your rubbishing me - you're so shamless, it's become a joke. This is for Jaycee - whatever he sees is most doubtful; apart from anything else.
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Postby tyianchang » Fri, 11 Mar 2011 6:10 pm

ev-disinfection wrote:Well, i believe in trying out something at least once,
And i agree with KSL that we should do things in moderation,
Too much of a good or bad thing is bad... :cool:


I don't even think moderation's the word for any drugs, including marij. My family's completely free of drug or marij. We don't need any of that stuff. But I had to live throughthe 70s to teach them what to avoid, someone like Jaycee most def.
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Postby JR8 » Fri, 11 Mar 2011 6:36 pm

Ooh look, picked at it twice already. Wouldn't be trying to start a fight would you? lol


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Postby JR8 » Fri, 11 Mar 2011 6:39 pm

tyianchang wrote:Good old Karl Marx





May this long be remembered.

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Postby JayCee » Fri, 11 Mar 2011 6:57 pm

tyianchang wrote:whatever he sees is most doubtful; apart from anything else.


:???: In English please, or have you been on the pipe again?

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Postby Plavt » Fri, 11 Mar 2011 7:00 pm

JayCee wrote:. Of course, some people will take it too far but then some people take it too far with alcohol and rob people to get money to buy that too, yet it's legal and socially acceptable to drink.

If it was 2 smackheads walking past me, I agree 100% but then I would never endorse the legalisation of class A drugs as they really do cause problems



To say nothing of the youths who clog up stair wells and lobbies of tower blocks with noisy and intimidating nature, not to mention the leaving their spliff ends, sweet wrappers, coke cans and spittle all over the place. Maybe you haven't been here for a while?

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Postby JayCee » Fri, 11 Mar 2011 7:04 pm

Plavt wrote:
JayCee wrote:. Of course, some people will take it too far but then some people take it too far with alcohol and rob people to get money to buy that too, yet it's legal and socially acceptable to drink.

If it was 2 smackheads walking past me, I agree 100% but then I would never endorse the legalisation of class A drugs as they really do cause problems



To say nothing of the youths who clog up stair wells and lobbies of tower blocks with noisy and intimidating nature, not to mention the leaving their spliff ends, sweet wrappers, coke cans and spittle all over the place. Maybe you haven't been here for a while?


I was there a few months ago. If those kids weren't smoking weed they'd be doing something else, I don't equate them acting in an intimidating manner with smoking weed as it's not exactly a a drug that makes people aggressive. The point I'm trying to make is that kids binge drinking and smoking on the street leaving empty cans, fags ends etc... is a much worse problem but booze and fags are still legal (not to them if they're under 18 admittedly but everyone knows it goes on and no-one does anything)


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