Questions on Employment Pass

kuabengguan · Post by **kuabengguan** » Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:09 am

Hi,

I have accepted the job offer and the company apply for me the employment pass. Today, I have received a letter of In-Principle Approval Letter For Employment Pass. The pass category is P2.

My questions are:
1) Does that mean the application for the EP has been approved? Can I proceed on by tendering my resignation on my current employer?
2) What would be the next step and process? Report in for work with that letter?
3) My wife has her dependent pass approved as well. She is planning to look for a job and I understand that once she gets a job, she needs to cancel off her dependent pass and goes under EP on the new prospective company. Is that correct?
4) Any other necessary information that I should know or I have left out?

Thanks.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:25 am

kuabengguan wrote:Hi,

I have accepted the job offer and the company apply for me the employment pass. Today, I have received a letter of In-Principle Approval Letter For Employment Pass. The pass category is P2.

Congratulations!

My questions are:
1) Does that mean the application for the EP has been approved? YES Can I proceed on by tendering my resignation on my current employer? YES
2) What would be the next step and process? Report in for work with that letter? Ensure that the new employer understands how long they will have to wait for your resignation notice to be finished or you can always give the currently employer salary in lieu of notice (if the employer will agree to it). If they don't, you might find yourself out of work and still having to wait for cancellation of the current EP as the employer still has to file the IR-21 (Tax Clearance) which is required by IRAS one month before your final day of work. Upon completion of your notice period, report to the new employer to finalize the collection of the new EP and then start working.
3) My wife has her dependent pass approved as well. She is planning to look for a job and I understand that once she gets a job, she needs to cancel off her dependent pass and goes under EP on the new prospective company. Is that correct? Correct.
4) Any other necessary information that I should know or I have left out?

You're go to go.

Thanks.

sms

Saint · Post by **Saint** » Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:10 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:3) My wife has her dependent pass approved as well. She is planning to look for a job and I understand that once she gets a job, she needs to cancel off her dependent pass and goes under EP on the new prospective company. Is that correct? Correct.

Your wife can actual work under her DP, she just needs to get her Employer to complete and submit a LOC. Most of the time this is easier than applying for an EP. Unfortunately most Companies are totally unaware that this is a possible route. The only downside is because her DP is tied to your EP, if you lose your job, so will she.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:15 pm

But 9 times out of 10, if the employer understands the LoC, the trailing spouse will be underpaid so it's better to go for the full EP first and then, if rejected, go for the LoC as there are no criteria other than being on a Dependents pass.

intellectualsmuse · Post by **intellectualsmuse** » Wed, 23 Feb 2011 3:23 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:But 9 times out of 10, if the employer understands the LoC, the trailing spouse will be underpaid so it's better to go for the full EP first and then, if rejected, go for the LoC as there are no criteria other than being on a Dependents pass.

Agree. But will only work if she manages to find a job BEFORE she ends up here

kuabengguan · Post by **kuabengguan** » Thu, 24 Feb 2011 3:43 pm

Hi all,

Thanks for the feedback. Appreciate your kind comments and info.
I called the company and they say it's fine to tender the resignation since the EP has been approved. They also asked me to bring the In Principle approve letter when i go into Singapore reporting to work and they will arrange me to go to Tanjong Pagar to get a permanent photo ID.

Also, the company mentioned that with the ID card, I do not need to fill the white card when i go in and out of Singapore. Will they still stamp my passport?

Regarding my wife DP, what's LOC?
She's currently looking for job. Is it advisable for her to look for a job before she follow me to MOM to get the ID or only start looking after obtaining her DP ID card?

I'm not aware that with a DP, she is eligible to apply for work. I understand there's various types of pass e.g. S pass, P1, P2 pass etc. As for her case if she goes under DP, is there any restriction on the salary offer?

Thanks

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Thu, 24 Feb 2011 4:32 pm

kuabengguan wrote:Hi all,

Thanks for the feedback. Appreciate your kind comments and info.
I called the company and they say it's fine to tender the resignation since the EP has been approved. They also asked me to bring the In Principle approve letter when i go into Singapore reporting to work and they will arrange me to go to Tanjong Pagar to get a permanent photo ID.

Also, the company mentioned that with the ID card, I do not need to fill the white card when i go in and out of Singapore. Will they still stamp my passport?

Regarding my wife DP, what's LOC?
She's currently looking for job. Is it advisable for her to look for a job before she follow me to MOM to get the ID or only start looking after obtaining her DP ID card?

I'm not aware that with a DP, she is eligible to apply for work. I understand there's various types of pass e.g. S pass, P1, P2 pass etc. As for her case if she goes under DP, is there any restriction on the salary offer?

If she is on a Dependent's Pass the employer will have to apply for a LoC for her. She will not be limited to salary nor will she have to meet any special criteria like would be necessary for and "Employment Pass". The LoC (Letter of Consent) will be tied to your EP so it expires and is renewed when your does (hopefully ).

http://www.mom.gov.sg/foreign-manpower/ ... fault.aspx

Thanks

kuabengguan · Post by **kuabengguan** » Sat, 26 Feb 2011 8:25 pm

Hi sundaymorningstaple,

Thanks for the feedback regarding the DP. I will inform my wife.
I plan to apply for PR in the near future to be eligible for the CPF contribution. Will the company apply for me or should I file in the application myself? How long after EP can I start applying for PR?

Also, if I'm successful in getting a PR, will my wife automatically be a PR as well or does she needs to file her own application and working in order to be eligible to be a PR?

I was told not long ago that even with a PR, a person must be working. Otherwise after 3 months, the PR will be revoked. Is it true?

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Sat, 26 Feb 2011 9:15 pm

kuabengguan wrote:Hi sundaymorningstaple,

Thanks for the feedback regarding the DP. I will inform my wife.
I plan to apply for PR in the near future to be eligible for the CPF contribution. Will the company apply for me or should I file in the application myself? How long after EP can I start applying for PR?

Currently, ICA is using around 2 years. Less than than, it will most probably be rejected.

Also, if I'm successful in getting a PR, will my wife automatically be a PR as well or does she needs to file her own application and working in order to be eligible to be a PR?

Application should be made together but you have a lot of time to worry about that. It would obviously help if she is working but it's not a requirement if she is applying with you. Separate application, yes she needs to be working.

I was told not long ago that even with a PR, a person must be working. Otherwise after 3 months, the PR will be revoked. Is it true?

NO

revhappy · Post by **revhappy** » Tue, 01 Mar 2011 2:55 pm

kuabengguan wrote:Hi sundaymorningstaple,

Thanks for the feedback regarding the DP. I will inform my wife.
I plan to apply for PR in the near future to be eligible for the CPF contribution. Will the company apply for me or should I file in the application myself? How long after EP can I start applying for PR?

Also, if I'm successful in getting a PR, will my wife automatically be a PR as well or does she needs to file her own application and working in order to be eligible to be a PR?

I was told not long ago that even with a PR, a person must be working. Otherwise after 3 months, the PR will be revoked. Is it true?

Have you checked with your employer whether your salary will to re-structured in case you acquire PR status? Thats what most employers do here. They will just reduce your take home pay and effectively, your contribution and the employer's contribution will comeout of your existing salary bucket.

kuabengguan · Post by **kuabengguan** » Tue, 01 Mar 2011 7:25 pm

Hi sundaymorningstaple,
Thanks for the feedback.

Hi revhappy
I did not check on the PR and CPF thingy with the HR.
According to sundaymorningstaple, one can only apply for PR after 2 years under EP. Is it necessary to ask about the salary restructure with HR now?

Also, lets say i'm getting 6K/month. If I successfully apply and get PR, I believe there will be no pay cut? What I understand is that first year employee contributuib is 5%, 2nd year 10% and following 3rd year onwards 20% whereas employer contribution will be always 15%?

Feedback needed. Thanks in advance.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Tue, 01 Mar 2011 9:20 pm

kuabengguan wrote:Hi sundaymorningstaple,
Thanks for the feedback.

Hi revhappy
I did not check on the PR and CPF thingy with the HR.
According to sundaymorningstaple, one can only apply for PR after 2 years under EP. Is it necessary to ask about the salary restructure with HR now?

What I said, was that is what is currently happening. You can apply any time you want, but it will probably be rejected under the current situation.

Also, lets say i'm getting 6K/month. If I successfully apply and get PR, I believe there will be no pay cut? What I understand is that first year employee contributuib is 5%, 2nd year 10% and following 3rd year onwards 20% whereas employer contribution will be always 15%?

What revvhappy is saying is that while it's not supposed to happen, but most employers will try to renegotiate your contract or it will already have a clause in it stating if you take up PR, the your basic salary will be inclusive of both the employer's and employee's donations to the CPF board. This especially so for EP's as there is no levy. Otherwise the employers contribution becomes an additional cost for the employer that he didn't have while you were an EP holder.

Feedback needed. Thanks in advance.

Post by **Strong Eagle** » Tue, 01 Mar 2011 9:59 pm

kuabengguan wrote:What I understand is that first year employee contributuib is 5%, 2nd year 10% and following 3rd year onwards 20% whereas employer contribution will be always 15%?

Feedback needed. Thanks in advance.

Both employer and employee have reduced rates in first two years of new PR CPF payments.

http://mycpf.cpf.gov.sg/CPF/Templates/S ... =Guest#N4a

But, it seems to me that you are asking pointless questions. You don't have PR, you won't get it anytime soon, and the rules may change. And no matter what the rules are, you will either go to work for someone who respects the rules, whatever they are, or someone who will try to screw you.

So, what's the point of these pointless questions?

kuabengguan · Post by **kuabengguan** » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 8:15 am

Hi guys,

Thanks for the feedback.
My contract does not state anything about salary adjustment after getting PR. It's just a full time employment with EP granted for 2 years.

Do you guys reckon I should ask the HR about salary after getting PR? Or it's pointless as it is too early.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 9:30 am

Did you bother to read SE post?

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