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Postby JR8 » Fri, 04 Mar 2011 9:55 pm

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nakatago wrote:A call to arms?


:lol: :lol: Funny. what kind of language is it?

The man should be Gerard Butler.


Asked friends in SG they think it might be Tagalog. Don't see it myself! It is not a language I think I have ever heard before.
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 04 Mar 2011 10:54 pm

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sundaymorningstaple wrote:Two of the "acts" are on intermission.


Enforced or voluntary lol?

Let's guess the 3rd one. Auntie Changster, Manchild and ... Breedmum?


Voluntary. Breedmon was banned.

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Postby tyianchang » Sat, 05 Mar 2011 4:59 pm

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sundaymorningstaple wrote:Two of the "acts" are on intermission.


Enforced or voluntary lol?

Let's guess the 3rd one. Auntie Changster, Manchild and ... Breedmum?


No, just a fat wally springs to mind. No offence, there, just so you know how it stings, What's this, trying to push through your business cards in this China syndrome? Are you in sarong and songkok yourself?
Never thought you'd have time lollying about with such base rumour mongering. Not like me to equivocate.
Whatever, you're a bored expat in Germany. As for your poem - thanks again for taking the time even as you're sabotaging. The ancient wisdom is 'as above so below.' I mean, you do think about going to the fridge before you get the bottle out, don't you? You can't win on this one unless you're just a habitual drunkard. Hehehe
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Postby tyianchang » Sat, 05 Mar 2011 5:29 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Two of the "acts" are on intermission.

Indeed, I'd like to know more of MANTHINK. He's obviously a , what's the genealogical term, a pre homosapien, i.e. a CroMagnon, the tribe that left Afrika and settled in Mongolia, Siberia dn China before the HomoSapians and Homo Erectus who migrated to the ME and Europe, and who'd inhabited the Nusantara long before anyone else. A Lemurian like me, perhaps. I believe he's certainly up to it. But who knows, women might jolly well be morally superior.
Well, you know me as much as we know kls, SE, MS, JR8 and the emerging Vaucluse - at least the little about the person behind the pseudonyms. But I'm intrigued about a few so this bit of intermission is research time for the inquisitive, but let this not be so crassly said please. IOW, I don't enjoy chatting with those come easy braggers out to impress by victimising. Ah, it seems that you see this as a platform for characterization - mincing compassion out of Shylock without a drop of blood? A clue here, good Antonio, look for the context - name tagging and one liners just don't sell, do they?
So is this Act III - the turn around? It might run up to Act 5 for the denouement in Shakespeare.
Sorry for the sidetrack, this is the China Syndrome and the latest update is about how China's beating the US in signing up contracts for access to a wide range of commodities globally, due to its 'no strings attached' policy. Another inflammatory issue no doubt.
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Postby Strong Eagle » Sat, 05 Mar 2011 5:40 pm

tyianchang wrote:...and the latest update is about how China's beating the US in signing up contracts for access to a wide range of commodities globally, due to its 'no strings attached' policy. Another inflammatory issue no doubt.


I don't know why it is inflammatory but it does point out that China's foreign policy turns a blind eye to terrorists, despots, and dictators, and essentially screws the countries in which it agrees to provide investment. Just look at some of the 'deals' made in Africa... cheap roads agreed to by some corrupt dictator, while China walks away with the lion's share of the resources.

Or take a look at Laos... deforestation on a grand scale, even though the forests are protected... the Chinese bribe corrupt Lao officials. And so many Han Chinese are coming to Lao to do the work that there is real concern amongst the aid agencies that within decades that native Lao people will become a minority, and Laos just one more Chinese province... just like they are doing with the Uighurs and in Tibet... destroy the local races by loading the places up with Chinese.

No, there is nothing to be proud of, beating the US in contracts. Just one more example of China failing to live up to its responsibilities as a world power.

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Postby tyianchang » Sat, 05 Mar 2011 6:28 pm

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tyianchang wrote:...and the latest update is about how China's beating the US in signing up contracts for access to a wide range of commodities globally, due to its 'no strings attached' policy. Another inflammatory issue no doubt.


I don't know why it is inflammatory but it does point out that China's foreign policy turns a blind eye to terrorists, despots, and dictators, and essentially screws the countries in which it agrees to provide investment. Just look at some of the 'deals' made in Africa... cheap roads agreed to by some corrupt dictator, while China walks away with the lion's share of the resources.

I was aware China had started building roads, railways in some African countries way back in the 60s before the so called dictators were identified. From the latest documentary done by the BBC in Africa, China does benefit the poor with the provision of transport means for many to buy, sell nad trade from state to state.

Or take a look at Laos... deforestation on a grand scale, even though the forests are protected... the Chinese bribe corrupt Lao officials. And so many Han Chinese are coming to Lao to do the work that there is real concern amongst the aid agencies that within decades that native Lao people will become a minority, and Laos just one more Chinese province... just like they are doing with the Uighurs and in Tibet... destroy the local races by loading the places up with Chinese.

That's why I support the One child policy. But from the argument it stirred, China can't win either way.
It's up to the Laotians to decide if they want Chinese assimilation. The UN recognised Tibet as part of China. The Uighurs have a historical link with China way back from the 17th century , if not before as Xinjiang and Tibet used China as administrators. Today, they are autonomous regions of China. From what I hear, there're mixed receptions within these countries, some supporting the developments and ending of local strifes from within. But it's untrue that the Chinese 'destoy the local races' though it might be true that many Chinese have moved into these areas. The way I see it is that emigrations have always been the practice for all races and countries - as Europeans, migrated to the USA, Canada, Australia, NZ, Africa and Asia.
It was while looking for the fabulous 'Cathay' that the Portuguese and Spaniards discovered America. Today, the indigenous Americans are in reservations - I don't think the Uighers and Tibetans are in resevations but are free to move about and there was a history of the underclasses involved. Beside, Xinjiang is a diverse region with Kazaks, Mongolians, Han Chinese and Russians too.


No, there is nothing to be proud of, beating the US in contracts. Just one more example of China failing to live up to its responsibilities as a world power.


I can assure you 'pride' was absent by any implication. As I said, power corrputs and I'd hate to see one arrogant Chinese as a result of her economic surge ahead today. I can say that as I'm a Chinese why stays behid, I guess. lol
It's just a fact I gleaned from the Financial Times, as posted. I think China sees its responsibilities as a member of the UN Secuity Council with the full rights of a free country, able to make her own decisions.

The point for argument from what you have raised, is to take Brazil as an example - that the Europeans have been logging irresponsibly in Brazil before and now the Chinese are there, they could be following the same course. It's here that I would like China to start listening to the voices of the indigenous people and help them preserve their way of life. As China has done similarly to the ethnic minorties within her boundaries.
Every country should be sensitive to the voices of the natives and the minorities. It's necessary for the super powers to work collaboratively in all areas. Wars are not a solution - the current upheaval in Libya will not end the problems they have. I'd hate to see any other country having civil wars and outsiders joining in to gain control of its resources.
In the present stage, there's just free trade and many people are using their political justifications to determine what's free trade.
1. Let's say the natives should know who they want to do business with.
2. The UN can work with members to draw out certain criteria for fair trade that all countries should comply with.
I believe that we have a civilisation. Let's use it .
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Postby ksl » Sat, 05 Mar 2011 6:28 pm

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tyianchang wrote:...and the latest update is about how China's beating the US in signing up contracts for access to a wide range of commodities globally, due to its 'no strings attached' policy. Another inflammatory issue no doubt.


I don't know why it is inflammatory but it does point out that China's foreign policy turns a blind eye to terrorists, despots, and dictators, and essentially screws the countries in which it agrees to provide investment. Just look at some of the 'deals' made in Africa... cheap roads agreed to by some corrupt dictator, while China walks away with the lion's share of the resources.

Or take a look at Laos... deforestation on a grand scale, even though the forests are protected... the Chinese bribe corrupt Lao officials. And so many Han Chinese are coming to Lao to do the work that there is real concern amongst the aid agencies that within decades that native Lao people will become a minority, and Laos just one more Chinese province... just like they are doing with the Uighurs and in Tibet... destroy the local races by loading the places up with Chinese.

No, there is nothing to be proud of, beating the US in contracts. Just one more example of China failing to live up to its responsibilities as a world power.


Not forgetting the arms sales to African nations that support terrorism, in which I believe a Student from the UK is doing a PHd on the subject!

last night i was watching a documentary on China and copying, these Chinese investigators are used to track the companies down and destroy the goods. Though Nike and Adidas have finely given up chasing them, as the culture doesn't understand copy right, they don't see it as stealing, at all.

Many high up officals actually finance the factories, and these factories for copying are now fully mobile with seedling factories set up in all Countries arround the world...It showed UK police busting them, as they work from rented housholds, and the Chinese sellers are just pawns, refugees, working off their debts. It's the biggest organised crime the UK as seen.

DVD's and Porn, sold on a massive scale, the house showed literally thousands or recorded copies.

It is estimated that the damage done to UK is in the Billions of $ a year, most of the workers have been smuggled in from Fujian province, and they are forced into slave labour to work the debts off. The film flipped backwards and forwards from China to the distribution networks around the world.

China is actually damaging all nations, as the only thing that matters is getting rich, those in control are high up in the CPP, and they do not see it as doing anything wrong., they say close one and a new one will open, becuase demand doesn't go away....Top Shop UK, actually have all their clothing copied from the cat walk, the queues outside for opening of the new fashion designs are really long...celebrities, don't mind paying 50 to a £100 for something that costs thousands, and they say, we know that the quality is just as good as the original. I couldn't believe this celebrity, a socialite was actually opening up to actually buying high quality copies, be it bag,s clothing or watches.

Though I know the hunger of mainland Chinese, having toured many of their shops and markets, in fact I can tell you, one can get anything in China, even authentic original antiques, that are dug up by peasants.

Though my philosophy is, that governments have hardly helped me all my life, I have paid my dues and feel ripped off by banks as well as Insurance companies and 80 years is a very short life, if i ever make it. So I'm not going to worry about the problems of the world, that was created by greed and slavery, when Governments and businesses condone it together for consumerism.

As an individual we choose, some times without knowing what we are buying, is a copy, especially in medicine and food.

It even showed how they made fake eggs and fried them, and other food products, that will posion us all over a period of time....Just like Mao's time, it was an experiment that is going sadly wrong as the fakers use prohibited chemicals in foods as well as other products..

Only in this century, the products that are being faked maybe responsible for killing over a billion people in times to come, as investigators cannot keep up, with them but they did say, the chemicals being used will damage you.

So people the next time you put that food in your mouth, make sure you know where it was made! :o

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Postby Strong Eagle » Sat, 05 Mar 2011 6:38 pm

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Strong Eagle wrote:
tyianchang wrote:...and the latest update is about how China's beating the US in signing up contracts for access to a wide range of commodities globally, due to its 'no strings attached' policy. Another inflammatory issue no doubt.


I don't know why it is inflammatory but it does point out that China's foreign policy turns a blind eye to terrorists, despots, and dictators, and essentially screws the countries in which it agrees to provide investment. Just look at some of the 'deals' made in Africa... cheap roads agreed to by some corrupt dictator, while China walks away with the lion's share of the resources.

I was aware China had started building roads, railways in some African countries way back in the 60s before the so called dictators were identified. From the latest documentary done by the BBC in Africa, China does benefit the poor with the provision of transport means for many to buy, sell nad trade from state to state.

Or take a look at Laos... deforestation on a grand scale, even though the forests are protected... the Chinese bribe corrupt Lao officials. And so many Han Chinese are coming to Lao to do the work that there is real concern amongst the aid agencies that within decades that native Lao people will become a minority, and Laos just one more Chinese province... just like they are doing with the Uighurs and in Tibet... destroy the local races by loading the places up with Chinese.

That's why I support the One child policy. But from the argument it stirred, China can't win either way.
It's up to the Laotians to decide if they want Chinese assimilation. The UN recognised Tibet as part of China. The Uighurs have a historical link with China way back from the 17th century , if not before as Xinjiang and Tibet used China as administrators. Today, they are autonomous regions of China. From what I hear, there're mixed receptions within these countries, some supporting the developments and ending of local strifes from within. But it's untrue that the Chinese 'destoy the local races' though it might be true that many Chinese have moved into these areas. The way I see it is that emigrations have always been the practice for all races and countries - as Europeans, migrated to the USA, Canada, Australia, NZ, Africa and Asia.
It was while looking for the fabulous 'Cathay' that the Portuguese and Spaniards discovered America. Today, the indigenous Americans are in reservations - I don't think the Uighers and Tibetans are in resevations but are free to move about and there was a history of the underclasses involved. Beside, Xinjiang is a diverse region with Kazaks, Mongolians, Han Chinese and Russians too.


No, there is nothing to be proud of, beating the US in contracts. Just one more example of China failing to live up to its responsibilities as a world power.


I don't think pride was implied. To me, it's just a fact I gleaned from the Financial Times, as posted. I think China sees its responsibilities as a member of the UN Secuity Council with the full rights of a free country, able to make her own decisions.

The point for argument from what you have raised, is to take Brazil as an example - that the Europeans have been logging irresponsibly in Brazil before and now the Chinese are there, they could be following the same course. It's here that I would like China to start listening to the voices of the indigenous people and help them preserve their way of life. As China has done similarly to the ethnic minorties within her boundaries.
Every country should be sensitive to the voices of the natives and the minorities. It's necessary for the super powers to work collaboratively in all areas. Wars are not a solution - the current upheaval in Libya will not end the problems they have. I'd hate to see any other country having civil wars and fighting to gian control of resources.
In the present stage, there's just free trade and many people are using their political justifications to determine what's free trade.
1. Let's say the natives should know who they want to do business with.
2. The UN can work with members to draw out certain criteria for fair trade that all countries should comply with.
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The point, which you seem to have missed, is to not be an apologist by pointing out the missteps of other countries (and the US has plenty to answer for) but to note, that the second largest economy in the world, soon to become the largest, still refuses to act as an international partner, and instead cares little of the consequences of its actions so long as China profits. Works in the short term... in the long term the Chinese will f*ck everybody, including themselves.

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Postby tyianchang » Sat, 05 Mar 2011 6:59 pm

What goes round comes round. The world was screwed up while China was fighting off the world.
It was sad China had to catch up - better to have bicycles and felt shoes than Bentleys and trainers.
I don't need to apologise, but I'm not prepared to paint it totally black. One of the positive things is the way China's helping to stabilize the global economy. If she's too clever and does too well, that's hurray; but when there're rogue dealers and manufacturers like the poison milk scandal, then the Chinese government has to act. And it did when it went beyond a degree of doubt.
Who invented the dvd btw. Someone told me it was the Chinese? Whatever, swearing and roughing up is shxx talk and you were just beginning to gain my respect.
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Postby Strong Eagle » Sat, 05 Mar 2011 7:41 pm

tyianchang wrote:What goes round comes round. The world was screwed up while China was fighting off the world.
It was sad China had to catch up - better to have bicycles and felt shoes than Bentleys and trainers.
I don't need to apologise, but I'm not prepared to paint it totally black. One of the positive things is the way China's helping to stabilize the global economy. If she's too clever and does too well, that's hurray; but when there're rogue dealers and manufacturers like the poison milk scandal, then the Chinese government has to act. And it did when it went beyond a degree of doubt.
Who invented the dvd btw. Someone told me it was the Chinese? Whatever, swearing and roughing up is shxx talk and you were just beginning to gain my respect.


"China fighting off the world?" You seem to have some serious misconceptions about where China came from and where it is going to.

The Chinese today behave the way they do because they have been screwed, shafted, cheated, and killed by their leaders. If you don't get yours then you don't get anything. And the leadership reflects this attitude in its global dealings.

The Chinese have invented lots of things, created massive civilizations while Europe was in a morass and the new world yet discovered. That does not absolve them from the fact that they now spew their tainted baby formulas across the world, in a variety of programs, because they have not yet gained enough political maturity to solve the problem. For one thing, until there is an independent judiciary, the government will always be corrupt.

In closing, frankly, I don't care whether I gain your respect or not. You are not someone whose opinion of who I am matters much to me.

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Postby ksl » Sat, 05 Mar 2011 7:58 pm

One thing the Chinese didn't invent was DVD's :P and they invent very little today, as they lack the technological skills to do so. But they do copy and steal technology from other MNC.

In fact DVD's evolved from CD techology and these companies were mostly Japanese and American in a joint effort.

DVD is the work of many companies and many people. DVD evolved from CD and related technologies. Some of the early proposals for "high-density CD" were made in 1993, and these efforts gradually coalesced into two competing proposed formats. The MMCD format was backed by Sony, Philips, and others. The SD format was backed by Toshiba, Matsushita, Time Warner,

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 05 Mar 2011 8:49 pm

tyianchang wrote:It was while looking for the fabulous 'Cathay' that the Portuguese and Spaniards discovered America.


You said that you used to be a teacher? Not of history I trust!

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Postby tyianchang » Sat, 05 Mar 2011 10:16 pm

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tyianchang wrote:What goes round comes round. The world was screwed up while China was fighting off the world.
It was sad China had to catch up - better to have bicycles and felt shoes than Bentleys and trainers.
I don't need to apologise, but I'm not prepared to paint it totally black. One of the positive things is the way China's helping to stabilize the global economy. If she's too clever and does too well, that's hurray; but when there're rogue dealers and manufacturers like the poison milk scandal, then the Chinese government has to act. And it did when it went beyond a degree of doubt.
Who invented the dvd btw. Someone told me it was the Chinese? Whatever, swearing and roughing up is shxx talk and you were just beginning to gain my respect.


"China fighting off the world?" You seem to have some serious misconceptions about where China came from and where it is going to.

The Chinese today behave the way they do because they have been screwed, shafted, cheated, and killed by their leaders. If you don't get yours then you don't get anything. And the leadership reflects this attitude in its global dealings.

The Chinese have invented lots of things, created massive civilizations while Europe was in a morass and the new world yet discovered. That does not absolve them from the fact that they now spew their tainted baby formulas across the world, in a variety of programs, because they have not yet gained enough political maturity to solve the problem. For one thing, until there is an independent judiciary, the government will always be corrupt.

In closing, frankly, I don't care whether I gain your respect or not. You are not someone whose opinion of who I am matters much to me.


What's this - always telling me what my beliefs should be??? Seriously blinkered discussions always go round that way beginning the opening lines with accusations. Try to learn how to be impartial.
China has banned the poison baby milk and the culprits executed which is a very harsh sentence. No doubt that wouldn't even satisfy you but they've relaxed the severe death sentence now, so too bad. I've never experienced such unfair competition until now.
Don't worry. I'm least interested in changing your opinion or whether I mean anything to you. I like the Buddhist's view of seeing a buddha in every speck of dust. That's all there is to it.
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Postby Strong Eagle » Sat, 05 Mar 2011 10:24 pm

tyianchang wrote:What's this - always telling me what my beliefs should be???


Hmmm... considering that I have made exactly two posts here, I find your term 'always' somewhat wanting.

The larger issue, however, is your assertion that I am telling you what your beliefs should be?

Wherever did you get this cockamamie idea? I have stated what I think to be the situation. How in the world did you interpret that I am telling you what your beliefs should be? Unless of course, your psyche is not very integrated, in which case I can understand how you might perceive my opinion as something being forced upon you.

Having done a lot of work in the area of psychological integration, I'd be more than happy to discuss with you steps you might take to become more whole; otherwise, you will spend your life, with various parts of your conscious and subconscious stuck, way back when, with predictable results... such as your interpretation that I am telling you what your beliefs should be.

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Postby tyianchang » Sat, 05 Mar 2011 10:31 pm

ksl wrote:One thing the Chinese didn't invent was DVD's :P and they invent very little today, as they lack the technological skills to do so. But they do copy and steal technology from other MNC.

In fact DVD's evolved from CD techology and these companies were mostly Japanese and American in a joint effort.

DVD is the work of many companies and many people. DVD evolved from CD and related technologies. Some of the early proposals for "high-density CD" were made in 1993, and these efforts gradually coalesced into two competing proposed formats. The MMCD format was backed by Sony, Philips, and others. The SD format was backed by Toshiba, Matsushita, Time Warner,


Okay, give me time to read up.
Paul Merton went to visit a Chinese peasant who never studied technology and had little to no education. In 2007 -2008, he filmed this farmer making robots, the final result was one that drove a chariot with him riding it. His wife complained he burnt his house down in his workshop.
All innovative ideas are passed on and developed . What's technology today came from many cultures. It's not about stealing but sharing or buying.
It's a well known fact there was/is a lot of piracy of films, music etc. as you pointed out but from what I've read, the Chinese govt made many attempts to curb it too. They have to find new ways to put an end to the piracy of popular softwares.
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