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Postby ksl » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:16 pm


Yes, it is bizarre . . . I believe the SG gahmen definition of a Eurasian is someone who has Indian ancestry . . . or at least that's the way it was.

Crikey, I've been called Ali before in Denmark, when i used to work for the refugees, but never DHAVAL (male name 'pure white') translated. I may have Spanish bloodline from the 1600's :) With half Welsh, a touch of Irish and English, married to a touch of Scotland first time around had 2 kids. Second time 24 years later married a Chinese Taiwanese, and ended up with a Eurasian daughter, that speaks Singlish, Chinglish, English, Mandarin, Hakka and Taiwanese :???:

Now i am adopting my family crest on the left to signify the house of Lancaster, adopted by Lancashire with the red roses, the red lion of England and the Taiwan emblem dated 2000, when my daughter was born, a new era and direction in the family tree though the design is not yet finished :roll: The Heinz 57 label looks promising :-|

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Postby Eau2011 » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:33 pm

Manthink wrote:I am astonished with those (assuming most of u here) who had lived abroad and well travelled has little idea what ethnicity, language, culture and religion meant in Asia..

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They may have more idea about something else which you may not have. Asia, including Russian part, Turkish part, well, I wonder if you know more. :o

What did Confucius say?
子曰:“由,诲女,知之乎?知之为知之,不知为不知,是知也"

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Postby ksl » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:40 pm

Eau2011 wrote:
Manthink wrote:I am astonished with those (assuming most of u here) who had lived abroad and well travelled has little idea what ethnicity, language, culture and religion meant in Asia..

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They may have more idea about something else which you may not have. Asia, including Russian part, Turkish part, well, I wonder if you know more. :o

What did Confucius say?
子曰:“由,诲女,知之乎?知之为知之,不知为不知,是知也"


Gosh EU2011 you up so early!

Anyone like crossword puzzles? :lol:

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Postby Eau2011 » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:42 pm

ksl wrote:
Eau2011 wrote:
Manthink wrote:I am astonished with those (assuming most of u here) who had lived abroad and well travelled has little idea what ethnicity, language, culture and religion meant in Asia..

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They may have more idea about something else which you may not have. Asia, including Russian part, Turkish part, well, I wonder if you know more. :o

What did Confucius say?
子曰:“由,诲女,知之乎?知之为知之,不知为不知,是知也"


Gosh EU2011 you up so early!

Anyone like crossword puzzles? :lol:


Ask your wife. :P

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Postby ksl » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:47 pm

Eau2011 wrote:
ksl wrote:
Eau2011 wrote:
Manthink wrote:I am astonished with those (assuming most of u here) who had lived abroad and well travelled has little idea what ethnicity, language, culture and religion meant in Asia..

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They may have more idea about something else which you may not have. Asia, including Russian part, Turkish part, well, I wonder if you know more. :o

What did Confucius say?
子曰:“由,诲女,知之乎?知之为知之,不知为不知,是知也"


Gosh EU2011 you up so early!

Anyone like crossword puzzles? :lol:


Ask your wife. :P
No need I've already done Confucius, it was more in reference to Manthink's sentence

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Postby Eau2011 » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:49 pm

ksl wrote:
Eau2011 wrote:
Manthink wrote:I am astonished with those (assuming most of u here) who had lived abroad and well travelled has little idea what ethnicity, language, culture and religion meant in Asia..

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They may have more idea about something else which you may not have. Asia, including Russian part, Turkish part, well, I wonder if you know more. :o

What did Confucius say?
子曰:“由,诲女,知之乎?知之为知之,不知为不知,是知也"


Gosh EU2011 you up so early!

Anyone like crossword puzzles? :lol:


I had to, I have to see TCM doctor later. :)

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Postby Eau2011 » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:49 pm

ksl wrote:
Eau2011 wrote:
ksl wrote:
Eau2011 wrote:
Manthink wrote:I am astonished with those (assuming most of u here) who had lived abroad and well travelled has little idea what ethnicity, language, culture and religion meant in Asia..

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They may have more idea about something else which you may not have. Asia, including Russian part, Turkish part, well, I wonder if you know more. :o

What did Confucius say?
子曰:“由,诲女,知之乎?知之为知之,不知为不知,是知也"


Gosh EU2011 you up so early!

Anyone like crossword puzzles? :lol:


Ask your wife. :P
No need I've already done Confucius, it was more in reference to Manthink's sentence


:lol: :lol:

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Postby Wind In My Hair » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:52 pm

Vaucluse wrote:WIMH, you may disagree with me any time you wish, as long as you still talk to me. :)

Don't worry darling, you haven't made it to my Iggy List yet, and I doubt you ever will.

Vaucluse wrote:China, as a country, is an inanimate object and can, therefore, have no memory. Saying that 'China' has a long memory is as fallacious as saying that the USA has a short memory.

I know what you mean, just that to me the context made it clear that "China" meant "China the people" and not "China the land". You're right that technically it should be "the people of China" rather than "China". In that vein however, America did not put a man on the moon since America, as a country, is an inanimate object and can, therefore, take no action.

Are we done being pedantic now? #-o

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Postby ksl » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 1:04 pm

Wind In My Hair wrote:
Vaucluse wrote:WIMH, you may disagree with me any time you wish, as long as you still talk to me. :)

Don't worry darling, you haven't made it to my Iggy List yet, and I doubt you ever will.

Vaucluse wrote:China, as a country, is an inanimate object and can, therefore, have no memory. Saying that 'China' has a long memory is as fallacious as saying that the USA has a short memory.

I know what you mean, just that to me the context made it clear that "China" meant "China the people" and not "China the land". You're right that technically it should be "the people of China" rather than "China". In that vein however, America did not put a man on the moon since America, as a country, is an inanimate object and can, therefore, take no action.

Are we done being pedantic now? #-o
This is all terribly educational for a poor soul like me, and so late in my life, imagine what they will call me on my return to North Lancashire, when i start throwing all these words around in the local! :lol: 8-) Though it comes in useful further south :) I may even get to finish the crossword puzzle in The Sun newspaper :lol:

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Postby Vaucluse » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 1:09 pm

Manthink wrote:
Vaucluse wrote:Well, why don't you brighten our day and explain what ethnicity, language, culture and religion mean in Asia . . . as clearly those of us who were born here, lived here for decades, married an Asian and are members of asian families have zero clue . . . as opposed to someone like you.

Come on then, enlighten us


Now that's interesting, but I do understand there is another thread/folder which specifically address such topics in this Forum.

I would rather we focus on this thread's OT.


No, no . . . please . . . you thought it important enough to bring your .ppt message into this thread . . . surely you must believe that it contributes quite a bit.

Go on . . . a comment such as yours cannot lie dormant. Go on . . . we'd love to read your opinion

Manthink wrote:I am astonished with those (assuming most of u here) who had lived abroad and well travelled has little idea what ethnicity, language, culture and religion meant in Asia..

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Postby Eau2011 » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 1:23 pm

Wind In My Hair wrote: Conversely a Caucasian adopted by Chinese parents and raised in China all his life would not be Chinese by race, yet be ethnically Chinese in thought and behaviour.

Or am I mistaken?


I can't tell if I agree...

But we've got a good example, the minister of health in Germany is a Viet by ethnic group, but adopted and raised by German parents. Yes I think he thinks German, behaves German. But ethically he is still Viet, I guess.

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Postby Eau2011 » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 1:27 pm

Wind In My Hair wrote:
Vaucluse wrote:WIMH, you may disagree with me any time you wish, as long as you still talk to me. :)

Don't worry darling, you haven't made it to my Iggy List yet, and I doubt you ever will.

Vaucluse wrote:China, as a country, is an inanimate object and can, therefore, have no memory. Saying that 'China' has a long memory is as fallacious as saying that the USA has a short memory.

I know what you mean, just that to me the context made it clear that "China" meant "China the people" and not "China the land". You're right that technically it should be "the people of China" rather than "China". In that vein however, America did not put a man on the moon since America, as a country, is an inanimate object and can, therefore, take no action.

Are we done being pedantic now? #-o


Like in the news, "Washington considers to...", "....Beijing is...".etc.

I guess the cities would not think, here are the governments and of cause the people sitting in their offices meant. :wink: Is it a good analog?

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Postby Wind In My Hair » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 1:31 pm

Vaucluse wrote:It is interesting that the issue of race is of such utmost importance especially in Malaysia and Singapore . . . as well as religion, of course. All forms to be filled out have 'race' and religion as part of it.

The reasons are primarily historical and geographical. I'm trying to think of any two neighbouring countries with different majority races which don't make race an issue... can you?

Aside from that, race is useful in medical research. It's believed that Africans, for example, are more prone to prostate cancer than Caucasians; while Asians are more prone to cardiovascular disease. While it is dangerous to over-simplify all diseases to genetic causes, surely there is merit in recognising racial differences for the purposes of public policy, namely raising awareness and teaching prevention.

Basically I think that 'race' is not an entirely useless concept, though I agree that today boundaries are blurring enough for some adjustments to be necessary.

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Postby Strong Eagle » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 1:34 pm

Wind In My Hair wrote:Conversely a Caucasian adopted by Chinese parents and raised in China all his life would not be Chinese by race, yet be ethnically Chinese in thought and behaviour.

Or am I mistaken?


This is exactly how the US treats race and ethnicity. There are six racial groups. Then there is a separate box to check if you are of Hispanic ethnicity. You can be any race and check this box.

So, for your example, and if there were a Chinese 'ethnicity' check box on the US census forms, your child would mark the 'white' race box, and the Chinese 'ethnicity' box.

However, I don't think there are too many 'Native Hawaiians' checking the 'Hispanic' ethnicity box. Me, I always check 'Black or African American' for race, since my family origins, if you go back far enough, are in Africa.

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Postby Eau2011 » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 2:17 pm

Wind In My Hair wrote:
Vaucluse wrote:Basically I think that 'race' is not an entirely useless concept, though I agree that today boundaries are blurring enough for some adjustments to be necessary.


Anyway, I have never had to tick this kind of box before, till I came to SG, it's just a bit strange for me.


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