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Postby JR8 » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:29 am

Eau2011 wrote:
JR8 wrote:Highly condescending coming from someone who has never lived in China, to a Chinese person. No?


highly condescending? I have not experienced in my life from anyone till now, and I myself haven't showed condescending to anyone in my life. :wink: I think she got too low self-esteem. Maybe because you British have treated her very bad when she was young. :wink: That engraved her life. bad bad you British people. :wink: That's why she is like this today. :mrgreen: lol

I'd suggest she gives up her British passport and try to get a Chinese one.




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Postby JR8 » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 2:15 am

p.s.

It is noticeable that rather than suggesting a topic or topics of constructive discussion and participating in such, she has become the perpetual subject of destructive discussion herself.

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Postby Eau2011 » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 2:17 am

JR8 wrote:p.s.

It is noticeable that rather than suggesting a topic or topics of constructive discussion and participating in such, she has become the perpetual subject of destructive discussion herself.


QFT :mrgreen:
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Postby Eau2011 » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 2:21 am

tyianchang wrote: Kong Xi Fa Chai SMS and family, and all in this forum.
Haha, I have to find out what date CNY falls on. I've just returned from a coach tour of Europe with 28 relations from SG and now back in the UK。


She is a Singaporean Chinese.

Born in SG, moved to UK and married to an English man.

tyianchang wrote: My daughter's half-English so I lived here for her to be close to her dad and family. They've always liked the Chinese, as most British, white, black and others, have. They see us as hard working, intelligent and safe; apart from the odd gangs trading illegal immigrants and what nots.
I am familair with English culture but Britain surprises even me - it's so mixed ( hardly so 30 years ago ); today, there're so many foreigners everywhere, mostly speaking their own tongues in public too. Language is very subtle here - but there's a hard core Britishness about which is quite healthy.


That explained why your British guys think her English is poor and can't be her first language, maybe she can speak hokkianese, Hainanese or Cantonese better, Sindarin (wah lao eh :mrgreen: ). Her madarin is of cause poor, but I think she can read and speak. Anyhow, amazing! she does not consider herself as foreinger and yellow peril. :mrgreen: :cool:
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Postby JR8 » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 2:40 am

Jelly Jelly Jelly! :D

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Postby Eau2011 » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 2:53 am

There are people like Breedmon, who don't want to have anything to do with China.

But there are people like Auntie Anne, who's a Singaporean Chinese, whose descendants emigrated to SG, she emiragted to UK, had no more root, don't know where she belongs to, just keeps her face close to China's *ss, that made her a bit stronger, actually she has nothing to do with China, quite like her fellow Singaporean in Germany who married a German. She talked about China as if she knows a lot about it better than me, my all friends and families, and asked us to shut up.

I think every child would learn the history of Europe in the school. But if she's born und grew up in UK, she would not be unaware of European history, (I was born and grew up in China, we also learnt that in the history lessons)
JR8 wrote: There seems to be a great deal that you do not know about. But at your age, not knowing about Hitler until the 1980's is extraordinary isn't it? Who do you expect to take you seriously?


This world is full of weird people.

I once met a Chinese woman in the uni., who said she is a native-born Australian, but it's obvious that her English is Chinglish not Australian English, well, we happend to have a fellow student who is really a native born Australian. :wink:

This one is same, born in SG, stayed so many years in UK, but that does not change the fact she's a native-born SGer. And you guys still can reckon her mistakes in English. She should really worship her motherland SG and SG Gahmen.

Sigh...
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Postby Eau2011 » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 2:55 am

JR8 wrote:Jelly Jelly Jelly! :D


:lol: Haha

Come on, I thought she's a granny? Is she really so young? This is Auntie A.
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JR8, just let me do my job. :mrgreen: That's fun. :tongue:

My husband is on business trip, so allow me to stay late. :cool:

I still have jetlag, you know? :mrgreen:
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Postby JR8 » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 3:57 am

Eau2011 wrote:
JR8 wrote:Jelly Jelly Jelly! :D


:lol: Haha

Come on, I thought she's a granny? Is she really so young.

JR8, just let me do my job as a detective. :mrgreen: That's fun. :tongue:

My husband is on business trip, so allow me to stay late. :cool:

I still have jetlag, you know? :mrgreen:


No no [Benny Hill voice], is Jelly Splinger show. Is arr good :)

p.s. Yes, she owr bat, but googre not have everything ah?

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Postby Wind In My Hair » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 8:42 am

JR8 wrote:a shame... you might be a seasoned 'voice of reason'
[pinch myself :wink: :) ]

OMG, is JR8 being nice to me? *swoon* [pinching myself too :wink: ]

Vaucluse wrote:China's memory? China is a country, not a person.

Vaucluse, I'm not taking sides but being anally technical here. Research by MIT and CMU shows that a group's collective intelligence is greater than the sum of its members' individual intelligence (especially if there are more women in the group - true!). Isn't it therefore plausible that China (referring to the group of people living in that country) also has a collective memory?

Vaucluse wrote:Chinese is not a race, it is an ethnicity.

I'm pretty sure that Chinese is both a race and an ethnicity.

For example I am Chinese by race (biologically) and therefore look Chinese and am prone to all the diseases that doctors believe Chinese are more prone to. Same for any Chinese person living in Europe or America. However, I am not ethnically Chinese because my cultural norms and behaviours, having grown up in Singapore, are not the same norms and behaviours as an ethnic Chinese growing up in China. Ethnically I would say I am Singaporean (which is not the same as my nationality since I could migrate and change nationality would still have grown up Singaporean).

Even within China, as Eau points out, there are over 50 ethnic groups with the Han being the majority. Conversely a Caucasian adopted by Chinese parents and raised in China all his life would not be Chinese by race, yet be ethnically Chinese in thought and behaviour.

Or am I mistaken?

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 9:01 am

Wind In My Hair wrote:
JR8 wrote:a shame... you might be a seasoned 'voice of reason'
[pinch myself :wink: :) ]

OMG, is JR8 being nice to me? *swoon* [pinching myself too :wink: ]



Cripes I don't know what happened there, but I did start hitting the sherry a little early :wink:

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Postby Vaucluse » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 11:10 am

Wind In My Hair wrote:Vaucluse, I'm not taking sides but being anally technical here. Research by MIT and CMU shows that a group's collective intelligence is greater than the sum of its members' individual intelligence (especially if there are more women in the group - true!). Isn't it therefore plausible that China (referring to the group of people living in that country) also has a collective memory?

WIMH, you may disagree with me any time you wish, as long as you still talk to me. :)
China, as a country, is an inanimate object and can, therefore, have no memory. Saying that 'China' has a long memory is as fallacious as saying that the USA has a short memory.


Vaucluse wrote:Chinese is not a race, it is an ethnicity.

I'm pretty sure that Chinese is both a race and an ethnicity.

There are, of course, the traditional references to race - that racial lines are drawn from Mongoloid/Europid/Caucasoid, Negroid etc... bases . . .

Other lines are drawn according to social or geographical bases:
One is between "primordialism" and "instrumentalism". In the primordialist view, the participant perceives ethnic ties collectively, as an externally given, even coercive, social bond.[22] The instrumentalist approach, on the other hand, treats ethnicity primarily as an ad-hoc element of a political strategy, used as a resource for interest groups for achieving secondary goals such as, for instance, an increase in wealth, power or status.[23][24] This debate is still an important point of reference in Political science, although most scholars' approaches fall between the two poles.[25]
The second debate is between "constructivism" and "essentialism". Constructivists view national and ethnic identities as the product of historical forces, often recent, even when the identities are presented as old.[26][27] Essentialists view such identities as ontological categories defining social actors, and not the result of social action.[28][29]


Even within China, as Eau points out, there are over 50 ethnic groups with the Han being the majority. Conversely a Caucasian adopted by Chinese parents and raised in China all his life would not be Chinese by race, yet be ethnically Chinese in thought and behaviour.

Of course there are sub-ethnicities in any given geographical area . . . perhaps genetic tests are required to see if Koreans or Mongolians or Thais or Vietnamese are racially or ethnically related to Chinese . . . I believe they are.

Ethnicity versus race.



Or am I mistaken?

Or am I? :)




It is interesting that the issue of race is of such utmost importance especially in Malaysia and Singapore . . . as well as religion, of course. All forms to be filled out have 'race' and religion as part of it.
Race? Is the Malay race different from the Chinese race? Why is the Eurasian race even called a race by the SG gahmen? Indian race?

When I went to register our youngest after her birth I couldn't register her as Eurasian . . . why is this so? For the SG Gahmen she is classified as Caucasian . . . in most any other country she would be . . . simply a female
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Postby Manthink » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 11:46 am

I am astonished with those (assuming most of u here) who had lived abroad and well travelled has little idea what ethnicity, language, culture and religion meant in Asia..

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Postby ksl » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 11:50 am

You know Singapore, Case by Case, my daughter is registered Eurasian in school, though its only recently changed, like the weather. Everywhere I go, I get called boss, I say no no no, I'm retired lah, just call me cock and I will say yes please with ice :roll: :) Well it is early for me!
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Postby Vaucluse » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 11:56 am

ksl wrote:You know Singapore, Case by Case, my daughter is registered Eurasian in school, though its only recently changed, like the weather.
Yes, it is bizarre . . . I believe the SG gahmen definition of a Eurasian is someone who has Indian ancestry . . . or at least that's the way it was.

Manthink wrote:I am astonished with those (assuming most of u here) who had lived abroad and well travelled has little idea what ethnicity, language, culture and religion meant in Asia..

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Well, why don't you brighten our day and explain what ethnicity, language, culture and religion mean in Asia . . . as clearly those of us who were born here, lived here for decades, married an Asian and are members of asian families have zero clue . . . as opposed to someone like you.

Come on then, enlighten us
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Postby Manthink » Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:14 pm

Vaucluse wrote:Well, why don't you brighten our day and explain what ethnicity, language, culture and religion mean in Asia . . . as clearly those of us who were born here, lived here for decades, married an Asian and are members of asian families have zero clue . . . as opposed to someone like you.

Come on then, enlighten us


Now that's interesting, but I do understand there is another thread/folder which specifically address such topics in this Forum.

I would rather we focus on this thread's OT.


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