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Postby Vaucluse » Wed, 02 Mar 2011 8:50 pm

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Malay is local, Malaysian can be local or other ethnic groups, I guess?

Chinese is just a race, there are American Chinese, Australian Chinese, Singaporean Chinese, Malaysian Chinese, Mauritian Chinese (Sino-Mauritian), Indonesian Chinese, Seychellian Chinese, Vietnamese Chinese, Thai Chinese etc. etc. I just name a few.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0855617.html


Actually, if I may be a pedant for a minute here, Eau - bitte entschulige die Unterbrechung.

Malay is an ethnicity. Malaysian a nationality. The original 'Malaysians' are the orang asli, not the Malays.

Also, Chinese is not a race, it is an ethnicity.

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See you can't stop your abuse and distortion of my facts.
My abuse and me distorting facts? :lol: I'll leave that one alone.

I say Yes, I support China's great thinking at planning ahead with its one child policy at a time when overpopulation and shortages would bring starvation to the whole country. So there.
Excellent point, but one which fails to take into account that China can feed itself quite well and exports food. The one-child policy has caused enumerable female baby deaths

If you have other povs, explain instead of attack. If you don't stop, then you should pack up for Libya.
I tried to explain while highlighting your arguments' inaccuracies but you only reply to what you wish and leave the 'uncomfortable' points alone.
Libya? :lol: You make as much sense as usual


I never recite and if I do, well, you wouldn't know any difference.
Exactly, thank you for validating my point. Well done, We agree.

Why can't you just say you don't know much about China except through your own propaganda?
Because that would not be an accurate assessment of my quite vast knowledge in this subject.
Why can you not say that the only things you know about China are what you get from government sources?


There you go, a pleasant reply.
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Postby tyianchang » Wed, 02 Mar 2011 8:55 pm

Eau2011 wrote:
Manthink wrote:Damned if you do, damned if you don't...

I maybe a little sensitive but I smell a tint of sinophobia here...

I gather some may take a little longer to adjustt to this paradigm shift


If somebody shows the ugly side of China, then sinophobia. lol. :P

My friends, my family are also criticising the bad things in China everyday, like other Chinese people, e.g. high inflation, exploding property prices, corruption etc. etc., do they all have sinophobia? :mrgreen:


If I'm not mistaken, Chinese people love to moan. But what's meant here is a revived term for 'the yellow peril,' which came at a time when the west was afraid of China and Russia - during the cold war period.
I think your weakness might be that you're not much aware of how the Chinese were treated and perceived in the west before and how that has changed today. It's true, money seems to change people's attitude. LOL
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Postby tyianchang » Wed, 02 Mar 2011 9:21 pm

Vaucluse wrote:
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Auntie Changster wrote:
See you can't stop your abuse and distortion of my facts.
My abuse and me distorting facts? :lol: I'll leave that one alone.

A good improvement here. And may I say thank you for that.
It was disgusting to call me a child murderer when my daughter was bitten by an anopheles mosquito. It wasn't you really, but you lapped it up thereat. That was unforgiveable
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I say Yes, I support China's great thinking at planning ahead with its one child policy at a time when overpopulation and shortages would bring starvation to the whole country. So there.

Excellent point, but one which fails to take into account that China can feed itself quite well and exports food. The one-child policy has caused enumerable female baby deaths

You've got the argument, but if you'll pause to think harder and see that your arguments are based on the result of the policy from sections of the people with an ingrained gender bias as well as economc necessity (more children needed to help out). So a govt implements a policy that a country needs to survive but is hindered by the feudalistic psyche of its people (largely from the peansantry)inspite of the cultural revolution. Can you then blame the deaths of the female babies on the government? No, you point your finger at the mother, the parents and the family. As a sidetrack, there were re-education classes of all kinds set up- the inplied irony was that China was largely democratic in its childbirths policy before and that could never end the male domination psyche of the majority.

If you have other povs, explain instead of attack. If you don't stop, then you should pack up for Libya.
I tried to explain while highlighting your arguments' inaccuracies but you only reply to what you wish and leave the 'uncomfortable' points alone.
Libya? :lol: You make as much sense as usual


The allusion is that there's a war going on in Libya. Well, I would hope you won't be so bellicose to that extent.

I never recite and if I do, well, you wouldn't know any difference.

Exactly, thank you for validating my point. Well done, We agree.

Why can't you just say you don't know much about China except through your own propaganda?
Because that would not be accurate. Why can you not say that the only things you know about China are what you get from government sources?


I read much more widely on China than that, even read Jonathan Mirsky; but I draw my own conclusion. I'm free and critical.

There you go, a pleasant reply.

Have a nice day.
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Postby JR8 » Wed, 02 Mar 2011 9:33 pm

tyianchang wrote:If I'm not mistaken, Chinese people love to moan. But what's meant here is a revived term for 'the yellow peril,' which came at a time when the west was afraid of China and Russia - during the cold war period.
I think your weakness might be that you're not much aware of how the Chinese were treated and perceived in the west before and how that has changed today. It's true, money seems to change people's attitude. LOL



Highly condescending coming from someone who has never lived in China, to a Chinese person. No?

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Postby Eau2011 » Wed, 02 Mar 2011 9:40 pm

Vaucluse wrote:
Eau2011 wrote:
Malay is local, Malaysian can be local or other ethnic groups, I guess?

Chinese is just a race, there are American Chinese, Australian Chinese, Singaporean Chinese, Malaysian Chinese, Mauritian Chinese (Sino-Mauritian), Indonesian Chinese, Seychellian Chinese, Vietnamese Chinese, Thai Chinese etc. etc. I just name a few.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0855617.html


Actually, if I may be a pedant for a minute here, Eau - bitte entschulige die Unterbrechung.

Malay is an ethnicity. Malaysian a nationality. The original 'Malaysians' are the orang asli, not the Malays.

Also, Chinese is not a race, it is an ethnicity.



Thank you Vaucluse. :)

See, I mixed everything. :P I read Chinese is race, Han, Zhuang, Dai etc. are ethnic groups. Or am I wrong? :o

But when I had to fill a formular here in SG, why under races are Chinese, Malay, Euroasia something like this to choose? A bit strange. :???:

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Postby Eau2011 » Wed, 02 Mar 2011 9:48 pm

tyianchang wrote:
Eau2011 wrote:
Manthink wrote:Damned if you do, damned if you don't...

I maybe a little sensitive but I smell a tint of sinophobia here...

I gather some may take a little longer to adjustt to this paradigm shift


If somebody shows the ugly side of China, then sinophobia. lol. :P

My friends, my family are also criticising the bad things in China everyday, like other Chinese people, e.g. high inflation, exploding property prices, corruption etc. etc., do they all have sinophobia? :mrgreen:


If I'm not mistaken, Chinese people love to moan. But what's meant here is a revived term for 'the yellow peril,' which came at a time when the west was afraid of China and Russia - during the cold war period.
I think your weakness might be that you're not much aware of how the Chinese were treated and perceived in the west before and how that has changed today. It's true, money seems to change people's attitude. LOL


How were you treated and perceived in UK, very terrible? Auntie Anne, if you don't mind, maybe you can tell me? :wink:

Chinese like to moan, so you too, right? Will you tell me that they should accept high inflation, unaffordable property prices and never complain?

So what are you doing here? Ask my friends and other chinese people to shut up?

You ever told me that I don't need answer your post if I don't agree with you.

Once you are in the party, you might be the biggest dictator in the century. I guess, nobody has freedom to tell opinion anymore. :-#

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Postby tyianchang » Wed, 02 Mar 2011 10:15 pm

Eau2011 wrote:
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Eau2011 wrote:
Manthink wrote:Damned if you do, damned if you don't...

I maybe a little sensitive but I smell a tint of sinophobia here...

I gather some may take a little longer to adjustt to this paradigm shift


If somebody shows the ugly side of China, then sinophobia. lol. :P

My friends, my family are also criticising the bad things in China everyday, like other Chinese people, e.g. high inflation, exploding property prices, corruption etc. etc., do they all have sinophobia? :mrgreen:


If I'm not mistaken, Chinese people love to moan. But what's meant here is a revived term for 'the yellow peril,' which came at a time when the west was afraid of China and Russia - during the cold war period.
I think your weakness might be that you're not much aware of how the Chinese were treated and perceived in the west before and how that has changed today. It's true, money seems to change people's attitude. LOL


How were you treated and perceived in UK, very terrible? Auntie Anne, if you don't mind, maybe you can tell me? :wink:

Chinese like to moan, so you too, right? Will you tell me that they should accept high inflation, unaffordable property prices and never complain?

So what are you doing here? Ask my friends and other chinese people to shut up?

You ever told me that I don't need answer your post if I don't agree with you.

Once you are in the party, you might be the biggest dictator in the century. I guess, nobody has freedom to tell opinion anymore. :-#


This is a British joke. Who wrote the book How to Keep Happy? Monalot.
Don't take this so seriously. We have a joke here that the Brits like a good moan. My neighbours and I moan about this and that when we have a cuppa. It's human, and funny when you're aware of it. Well, what you're moaning about in China, people take it out on the streets to protest in the ME countries currently undergoing revolutions. Inflation, rising house prices etc is a global problem.
My daughter's half-English so I lived here for her to be close to her dad and family. They've always liked the Chinese, as most British, white, black and others, have. They see us as hard working, intelligent and safe; apart from the odd gangs trading illegal immigrants and what nots.
I am familair with English culture but Britain surprises even me - it's so mixed ( hardly so 30 years ago ); today, there're so many foreigners everywhere, mostly speaking their own tongues in public too. Language is very subtle here - but there's a hard core Britishness about which is quite healthy.
Hey, wake up. There's no way I can get into the party - what party, anyway, other than the CCP? I just don't qualify you know, too bourgeoise, even though I feel like I'm doing hard labour. One should never be judgemental.
You're right about the Chinese race - it's considered an identification of race by all countries in their ethnicity surveys. Rather peculiar really,as I don't see any point in that, unless it's for keeping a tab on the global population of Chinese the world over.
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Postby Eau2011 » Wed, 02 Mar 2011 10:17 pm

Do you know, Auntie Anne, why I don't like you so much?

I never had any problems here with anybody, I had a very long discussion with JR8 when I came to this forum first time, it went to 4 pages, we did not agree with each other on some points, but we both never got personally.

I don't know who you are, where were you born, what nationality you have, I'm not interested in it at all, you are just someone from internet, a stranger to me. I do not need to know.

And you started to question me about this and that, saying something like you cannot feel convinced that you know who you are talking to.

Who do you think you are? You fighted with others by using insulting words, that's your business, now you are trying to abuse me if you cannot make me agree with you.

I'm taught to be a upright person by my parents when I was a child. I was taught to have civil courage to tell opinion if I don't agree. You might be my mother's age, but I have seen much more than you in life. I stayed in different countries, read a lot (can you read Chinese, German? obviously not), travelled almost all continents (excpet the Antarctic and south America), open-minded.

I normally don't bother myself to answer your posts, a narrow-minded, who never let others tell their opinions, abuse others when they don't agree, but as I said, I never learn how to shut up, especially when you get too personal, I will answer you with this post: I despise you.

And tell you what, this is the first time I got mad at someone after having a good time in this forum
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Postby tyianchang » Wed, 02 Mar 2011 10:22 pm

Eau2011 wrote:Do you know, Auntie Anne, why I don't like you so much?

I never had any problems here with anybody, I had a very long discussion with JR8 when I came to this forum first time, it went to 4 pages, we did not agree with each other on some points, but we both never got personally.

I don't know who you are, where were you born, what nationality you have, I'm not interested in it at all, you are just someone from internet, a stranger to me. I do not need to know.

And you started to question me about this and that, saying something like you cannot feel convinced that you know who you are talking to.

Who do you think you are? You fighted with others by using insulting words, that's your business, now you are trying to abuse me if you cannot make me agree with you.

I'm taught to be a upright person by my parents when I was a child. I was taught to have civil courage to tell opinion if I don't agree. You might be my mother's age, but I have seen much more than you in life. I stayed in different countries, read a lot (can you read Chinese, German? obviously not), travelled almost all continents (excpet the Antarctic and south America), open-minded.

I normally don't bother myself to answer your posts, a narrow-minded, who never let others tell their opinions, abuse others when they don't agree, but as I said, I never learn how to shut up, especially when you get to personal, I will answer you with this post: I despice you.

And tell you what, this is the first time I got mad at someone after having a good time in this forum


What a bizarre person. Germany, that's a link somewhere.
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Postby nakatago » Wed, 02 Mar 2011 10:23 pm

Eau2011 wrote:Do you know, Auntie Anne, why I don't like you so much?

I never had any problems here with anybody, I had a very long discussion with JR8 when I came to this forum first time, it went to 4 pages, we did not agree with each other on some points, but we both never got personally.

I don't know who you are, where were you born, what nationality you have, I'm not interested in it at all, you are just someone from internet, a stranger to me. I do not need to know.

And you started to question me about this and that, saying something like you cannot feel convinced that you know who you are talking to.

Who do you think you are? You fighted with others by using insulting words, that's your business, now you are trying to abuse me if you cannot make me agree with you.

I'm taught to be a upright person by my parents when I was a child. I was taught to have civil courage to tell opinion if I don't agree. You might be my mother's age, but I have seen much more than you in life. I stayed in different countries, read a lot (can you read Chinese, German? obviously not), travelled almost all continents (excpet the Antarctic and south America), open-minded.

I normally don't bother myself to answer your posts, a narrow-minded, who never let others tell their opinions, abuse others when they don't agree, but as I said, I never learn how to shut up, especially when you get to personal, I will answer you with this post: I despice you.

And tell you what, this is the first time I got mad at someone after having a good time in this forum


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Postby Eau2011 » Wed, 02 Mar 2011 10:29 pm

tyianchang wrote:

What a bizarre person. Germany, that's a link somewhere.


Now you are trying to insult the German people?

You managed to insult everybody, you must be very unsatisfied with your private life.

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Postby Eau2011 » Wed, 02 Mar 2011 10:32 pm

Eau2011 wrote:
tyianchang wrote:

What a bizarre person. Germany, that's a link somewhere.


Now you are trying to insult the German people?

You managed to insult everybody, you must be very unsatisfied with your private life.


Please give that sentence to yourself: a bizarre old woman, and plus, no natter where you live, UK or even another planet, there is no any link between where you live and your bizarre personality. Only from this sentence, one can already tell how stereotyped and racist you are. You are trying to insult every German while I'm not a German at all.

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Postby ksl » Wed, 02 Mar 2011 11:07 pm

Tips on how to debate are handy sometimes, though I ignore them myself :shock:
Let's all hold hands and sing rugby songs :lol:
http://www.rugbysongs.net/

Tips on how to debate:
http://ezinearticles.com/?How-to-Debate ... &id=163559

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Postby Eau2011 » Wed, 02 Mar 2011 11:15 pm

ksl wrote:Tips on how to debate are handy sometimes, though I ignore them myself :shock:
Let's all hold hands and sing rugby songs :lol:
http://www.rugbysongs.net/

Tips on how to debate:
http://ezinearticles.com/?How-to-Debate ... &id=163559


This woman has managed successfully to insult everybody personally. The moderator has to do something!

I have been discussing all the time since I came to this forum, and I'm quite happy with this forum. But if the pest which she caused is not controlled (insulting, getting personally etc.) I'm not going to come here anymore. :-|

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Postby Eau2011 » Wed, 02 Mar 2011 11:34 pm

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tyianchang wrote:If I'm not mistaken, Chinese people love to moan. But what's meant here is a revived term for 'the yellow peril,' which came at a time when the west was afraid of China and Russia - during the cold war period.
I think your weakness might be that you're not much aware of how the Chinese were treated and perceived in the west before and how that has changed today. It's true, money seems to change people's attitude. LOL



Highly condescending coming from someone who has never lived in China, to a Chinese person. No?


highly condescending? I have not experienced in my life from anyone till now, and I myself haven't showed condescending to anyone in my life. :wink: I think she got too low self-esteem. Maybe because you British have treated her very bad when she was young. :wink: That engraved her life. bad bad you British people. :wink: That's why she is like this today. :mrgreen: lol

I'd suggest she gives up her British passport and try to get a Chinese one.


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