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Postby Eau2011 » Sun, 27 Feb 2011 11:45 pm

ksl wrote: There is incredible talent in China, you can see that with all the gold medals they take, it is a huge and wonderful Country and we see the changes rapidly advancing towards a more open society. the hunger for growth is there, though the sustainability of building and knocking down, building less than 5 years old, will take its toll and the bubble will burst to keep the construction industry employed.
Unfortunately I have to tell you those professional sportsmen are financed by the Chinese tax payers. They do nothing but train to get the gold medals, that's their occupation. Chinese people critisied this a lot during Olympic game in 2008.

In other countries those sportsmen are amateur, e.g. I was once in Prague, the door man in the hotel has attended the Olympic game in 2008.

Another example is German Dmocratic republic in Olympic games from 1972 to 1988, they've won the most gold medals cause they put much time and money to train these sportsmen.

The most gold medals don't mean average Chinese are good at sport.


It does well to listen to its own heart...only last week they reduced the crimes on the list of capital offences. china is heading in the right direction , though technologically speaking it's quite a long way behind and will rely on others to develop high tech.
I really don't know if you can trust the media much about the reducing of crimes of capital offences.
But on developing high tech I agree with you.



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Postby JR8 » Sun, 27 Feb 2011 11:53 pm

oh I forgot this p.s. to my previous post.

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Postby Eau2011 » Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:01 am

JR8 wrote:It is not uncommon that the punishment for committing a crime against a policeman is far harsher than that for committing a crime against an ordinary citizen. As far as I know only one current poster here has succeeded in gratuitously insulting all of the moderators.

So I'm not convinced that all of the posters that occasionally engage in a little vibrant debate should be lumped together and judged in the same light.

p.s. In other words, from what I have seen on other forums, repeatedly insulting the mods is suicidal.



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Correct! :mrgreen:

By the way, I've been DISCUSSING, no any insulting words in all my posts. :mrgreen: You can check!

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Postby ksl » Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:12 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: Who holds the record for lockouts :P Damn competition! :roll: I used to have all these wild fantasies of living peacefully in a commune surrounded by lots of able and willing females in China.
I could spend all my happy days, planting my seed, and reaping the fruits of my hard labour.
Even have my own Red United football team, then the bubble burst and i woke up as I couldn't find any women and that was damn scary.

Though we must be honest with ourselves no matter which political party get in, we adapt, and we adapt, and we adapt, it's never ending :) I'm really thinking of supporting someone, just for a laugh. Seriously!

Eau2011:Unfortunately I have to tell you those professional sportsmen are financed by the Chinese tax payers. They do nothing but train to get the gold medals, that's their occupation. Chinese people critisied this a lot during Olympic game in 2008.

In other countries those sportsmen are amateur, e.g. I was once in Prague, the door man in the hotel has attended the Olympic game in 2008.

Another example is German Dmocratic republic in Olympic games from 1972 to 1988, they've won the most gold medals cause they put much time and money to train these sportsmen.

The most gold medals don't mean average Chinese are good at sport.



1. Yes I am well aware of the investment, though the aim of the game is to win medals, How do you think America does it?
2. Many UK people cannot afford the training without financial support.
3. There was also a little sarcasm on my part as most gold medal winners are raised on steroids, fact. :wink: However Singapore is desperate to take potenial medal winners :roll: It's all about politics and financial power.
I was once in Prague, the door man in the hotel has attended (competed you mean) the Olympic game in 2008.


Sport is all about time and money my dear, the only thing that worries me is that they start training in China as soon as they can walk. Some parents in other Countries would have it the same way. Sport is a vital part of the ego.

Nothing worse for an Englishman, than losing at football .... Well done the Rugby team!!! What a win over France! It's home and dry almost.
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Postby nakatago » Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:15 am

ksl wrote:I'm really thinking of supporting someone, just for a laugh. Seriously!


Here you go: http://www.omrlp.com/

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Postby Eau2011 » Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:18 am

ksl wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: Who holds the record for lockouts :P Damn competition! :roll: I used to have all these wild fantasies of living peacefully in a commune surrounded by lots of able and willing females in China.
I could spend all my happy days, planting my seed, and reaping the fruits of my hard labour.
Even have my own Red United football team, then the bubble burst and i woke up as I couldn't find any women and that was damn scary.

Though we must be honest with ourselves no matter which political party get in, we adapt, and we adapt, and we adapt, it's never ending :) I'm really thinking of supporting someone, just for a laugh. Seriously!


I can tell you, next election I'm not going to vote anymore. :(
I'd like to do that too, for a laugh. :-|

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Postby JR8 » Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:24 am

Eau2011 wrote:
JR8 wrote:It is not uncommon that the punishment for committing a crime against a policeman is far harsher than that for committing a crime against an ordinary citizen. As far as I know only one current poster here has succeeded in gratuitously insulting all of the moderators.

So I'm not convinced that all of the posters that occasionally engage in a little vibrant debate should be lumped together and judged in the same light.

p.s. In other words, from what I have seen on other forums, repeatedly insulting the mods is suicidal.



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Correct! :mrgreen:

By the way, I've been DISCUSSING, no any insulting words in all my posts. :mrgreen: You can check!


Oh I know I know, me too. We're cool! 8-)

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Postby Eau2011 » Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:32 am

ksl wrote: Sport is all about time and money my dear, the only thing that worries me is that they start training in China as soon as they can walk. Some parents in other Countries would have it the same way. Sport is a vital part of the ego.


Yes, those baby girls for gymnastics. :cry:

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Postby Eau2011 » Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:37 am

ksl wrote: :1. Yes I am well aware of the investment, though the aim of the game is to win medals, How do you think America does it?
2. Many UK people cannot afford the training without financial support.
3. There was also a little sarcasm on my part as most gold medal winners are raised on steroids, fact. :wink: However Singapore is desperate to take potenial medal winners :roll: It's all about politics and financial power.


The difference is: in China the government uses the money from tax payer for training the sportsmen, in other countries those associations and organizations which got donation from people or companies support the sportsmen.

That's why people in China are quite angry about this. The money can be used for much more important things than getting those gold medals. Useless gold medals....in my opinion.
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Postby ksl » Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:38 am

nakatago wrote:
ksl wrote:I'm really thinking of supporting someone, just for a laugh. Seriously!


Here you go: http://www.omrlp.com/
OMG a Redneck you can see he's been to Texas too!

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Postby ksl » Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:46 am

Eau2011 wrote:
ksl wrote: :1. Yes I am well aware of the investment, though the aim of the game is to win medals, How do you think America does it?
2. Many UK people cannot afford the training without financial support.
3. There was also a little sarcasm on my part as most gold medal winners are raised on steroids, fact. :wink: However Singapore is desperate to take potenial medal winners :roll: It's all about politics and financial power.


The difference in China the government uses the money from tax payer for training the sportsmen, in other countries those association and organization which got donation from people or companies support the sportsmen.

That's why people in China are quite angry about this. The money can be used for much more important things than getting those gold medals. Useless gold medals....in my opinion.
You also have to think of the international public relations, if you are wanting China to change over time, they also need to be shown as a willing member of all parties, these events play an important role too in Public Relations. There is much more involved in the Olympic games, than the average person could understand I'm afraid, which is a topic in itself.

Though for a Country like Singapore, Denmark and other small Countries it isn't easy to find high calibre sports people, even if its a rich Country.

Always better to compete in sports, than it is in warfare :wink: People prefer it!
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Postby Eau2011 » Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:50 am

ksl wrote:
Eau2011 wrote:
ksl wrote: :1. Yes I am well aware of the investment, though the aim of the game is to win medals, How do you think America does it?
2. Many UK people cannot afford the training without financial support.
3. There was also a little sarcasm on my part as most gold medal winners are raised on steroids, fact. :wink: However Singapore is desperate to take potenial medal winners :roll: It's all about politics and financial power.


The difference in China the government uses the money from tax payer for training the sportsmen, in other countries those association and organization which got donation from people or companies support the sportsmen.

That's why people in China are quite angry about this. The money can be used for much more important things than getting those gold medals. Useless gold medals....in my opinion.
You also have to think of the international public relations, if you are wanting China to change over time, they also need to be shown as a willing member of all parties, these events play an important role too in Public Relations.


Exactly, maybe I did not make it clear.

They should put money in building and equipping the sports facilities for public uses. not tons of money for training a few sportsmen for gold medals.

So every single citizen can use it, and sooner and later the average chinese are also good at sports. Then they can go and get the medals.

That's also what people in China hope.

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Postby ksl » Mon, 28 Feb 2011 1:04 am

Eau2011 wrote:
ksl wrote:
Eau2011 wrote:
ksl wrote: :1. Yes I am well aware of the investment, though the aim of the game is to win medals, How do you think America does it?
2. Many UK people cannot afford the training without financial support.
3. There was also a little sarcasm on my part as most gold medal winners are raised on steroids, fact. :wink: However Singapore is desperate to take potenial medal winners :roll: It's all about politics and financial power.


The difference in China the government uses the money from tax payer for training the sportsmen, in other countries those association and organization which got donation from people or companies support the sportsmen.

That's why people in China are quite angry about this. The money can be used for much more important things than getting those gold medals. Useless gold medals....in my opinion.
You also have to think of the international public relations, if you are wanting China to change over time, they also need to be shown as a willing member of all parties, these events play an important role too in Public Relations.


Exactly, maybe I did not make it clear.

They should put money in building and equipping the sports facilities for public uses. not tons of money for training a few sportsmen for gold medals.

So every single citizen can use it, and sooner and later the average chinese are also good at sports. Then they can go and get the medals.

That's also what people in China hope.
I was in Beijing in 1992 and i did actually visit 4 or 5 public gyms off Campus, though I can imagine a shortage of gyms given the population size, though working out really wasn't a Chinese favourite pastime then, unless you were a martial arts contender. Dancing in the parks and streets, working out in the park was very common too at 6. a.m though. The outlook on western sports was one of damage, not harmony.

Hope is all one can do in sport, if you do not have the backing of recognised clubs, so nothing comes easy and everything has a price to pay.

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Postby Expat_guy » Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:21 am

[quote="Eau2011]In other countries those sportsmen are amateur, e.g. I was once in Prague, the door man in the hotel has attended the Olympic game in 2008.

Another example is German Dmocratic republic in Olympic games from 1972 to 1988, they've won the most gold medals cause they put much time and money to train these sportsmen.

The most gold medals don't mean average Chinese are good at sport. [/color]
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Exactly. Almost all the communist countries were doing well in collecting medals in games earlier and after that we know what happened. Same with china, the officials push the kids to the limit and also we dont know what drugs are given to the kids to excel in sports.

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Postby Manthink » Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:27 am

Interesting thread.

I notice some are particularly hash on alternative views when comes to historical pov, political outlooks and which direction China/west will be heading in the coming decades.

The dynamics of how cultures, globalization and power-play have become ever more easy for us to see and feel...and yet the future remains unpredictable and as volatile as ever...

We are living and witnessing an interesting period of human history.


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