tyianchang wrote: perhaps you can pitch it right for a proper discussion. .
Anne, when are you going to have a good look at your own attitude? You accuse other people of not being able to hold a civil discussion yet the minute somebody disagrees with you simply retort by making accusations of bullying! A debate means different people have different points of you which may or not be agreed with by various other people.
From what I and many others have seen you have only one point YOUR OWN! I am not going to go into detail but some are seemingly worried by your presence. Perhaps you would like to explain why you persistently support the policies of a government of a country you claim to have never have lived in?
Pah! China lives in me - you can't stop overseas Chinese talking about China, not even a mainlander, especially if they've left the poor giant to go on labouring to improve the standard of life for all; and having to deal with all that corruption. But they're reforming - the latest I read about is that they'll end the barbaric live sentences for serious thieving.
Try to read intelligently, in between the lines and deconstruct the truth. Plavt, you're a fine specimen on your own.
I admire Mao and the early PLAs for what they'd done for a beleaugered China under the Manchu dynasty. The Chinese , inspite of their sheer numbers, were oppressed by the Manchu minorities - this underpinned their cohesive culture of obedience from the centuries long Confucian teachings. A group of young Chinese had reacted to that in a book about the Yellow Emperor, calling for the Chinese to assert themselves, almost like the AlQaedas jihadist movement. They were not banned or supported by the mainstream in China but talked about. Isn't that some degree of democracy?
Did you see pictures of Chinese beggars left with half a trouser and shirt and about 200,000 buried alive in Nanjing in the old China? How many young Chinese intellectuals were murdered and tortured for their communism? When I was in Beijing, there were thousands queueing to pay repect to Mao ( I mean, the eperience was bizarre, to see his body embalmed in a glass coffin. I'd rather just look at his picture ).
I'm equally concerned that some might want to turn this global platform into a parish pump. It's your choice, Plavt. I gain nothing in sharing my own learning. One thing you can rest assure in - I don't talk opinion but facts; and I had a lot of contacts with China hands, friends and books. I go through phases in my life when I studied something meticulously. Besides, if you read carefully, I'm not a blind supporter of any practice but a fair listener. The imposition of some parochial views and one-sided opinion doesn't work in the long run.
As I'd said, I don't see communism as a challenge to anyone but a way of governing a very huge country full of needs. If you'd stayed in Beijing as I did in 1999, the capital has a serious water shortage as well as an encroaching desert. China needs a strong and effective work force to improve the living conditions for its people which it's doing, ofetn in the face of criticisms.
If democracy works for China, then it will evolve, but if you force it on them, it will repel. The fact is, China is open to the world to engage in businesses in China and does not impose their political preferences on other countries.
In fact, we need to examine the Chinese constitution before condemning unfairly- and I had met some brilliant young Chinese in the 80s who were discussing about democracy and free speech in the making of their constitution.