How do you look at china and future of china

[tyianchang]

'My intentions were noble, it is just the people who messed up in the execution, er... [cough] I mean delivery!'

Seems like you love this guy so much, you need to reproduce him. Show me a Mao picture as befits the real guy, know what I mean?

[Plavt]

I hadn't seen those articles, but it's exactly what I said. Adopt (the basic technology), Adapt (for usage in China), Adept (become adept at creating their own model). Let's face it, they watched Japan do exactly the same thing since the 1950's.

Japan does not so much create it's own model, moreover the Japanese are very good at refining existing technology which has helpd the country generate enormous profits. I suppose you could interpret in some way as being their own model but it's not that often you hear of an invention coming out of Japan which is always far more difficult to market.

[tyianchang]

China already has a unification from the days of the Qin emperor that can embrace communist structures; but they had to fight to be communists. Most of the intellectuals, students and dispossesseds were murdered by the KMTs, Japanese and some British. Are you really on the murderous side ???[/color]

Such speaks a China hater.

Yet again you fail to understand even the most basic concepts put forward . . . and you don't bother to comment on my rebuttal vis-a-vis your misplaced comment regarding 'victor's history' and 'foreign history' or 'China History Books'.

I hate to make you look the fool but China during the Qin emperors looked vastly different from now, so your comment re unification is nonsensical.

You state that most students and intellectuals were murdered by the British and the Japanese . . . please explain how this could be as this mass extermination took place after they left China.

A 'China Hater'? Is that the extent of your discussion skills? Someone brings up an opposing view to your and the best you can do is brand them something as ridiculous as that?

You've got a point there but the facts are not all in black and white, so such a generalisation is only harmful to the Chinese people. It's in the vein of the Yellow Peril.

You really don't know how utterly ridiculous you come across . . . Me? Hating Chinese?

Please do admit that you are a Mainland Chinese as their debating 'skills' are very similar to yours . . . they don't have any.

You just come across as an aggressive new yorker we are quite familair with. It's a good thing there's a hiatus for I really can't stand you!!! lol
And you even try to make me concoct a lie for you - well, you're so perverted, you can make me a mainlander if you like. Try and get me the passport too, can you?

[JR8]

Finally, there's just one point regarding the literacy rate among the Chinese. It's better than ever before - and the reason why I don't hate the CCP. .

Many teachers are left wing, sad but true. You are on the batty fringe of that though I think.

But what value do your opinions have given you've only been to China on holiday twice?

How long have you actually spent in Asia? It seems like some historical artifact to be read about to you.

[Plavt]

You just come across as an aggressive new yorker

Now let me see the Atlantic+ plus Asian land mass = around 15000 miles at a guess, oh darn I forgot he's mostly Australian or was that German?

[tyianchang]

[quote="
Yes I'm native-born Chinese, I grew up in China and had my education in China. Before I came to Germany, I did not even know there was Tiananmen massacre. It's always been told those were thugs, of cause not mentioning that famous man standing in front of the tank. I got to know Tiananmen mothers who have fought for years for the justice for their sons who died in 1989, no success! In mainland China it's forbidden to talk about them. I feel I was fooled by the CCP!!!

I can tell you, when I travelled from Germany to Singapore to Hong Kong to Shenzhen, then the only place which I cannot use google, twitter, facebook, it's Shenzhen! Censorship sucks! it did and it still does!

Those mothers who lost their children, they had to hold secret momerial ceremonies for their children every year, every June 4th they are under house arrest because CCP is so afraid that they'll go to Tiananmen to protest.

If you have children, what will yo feel????[/quote]

That's a good question. Obviously, I can't stop my children from what they want to do. I'd hope nothing violent would happen but if they're at the stage for a struggle of power with the authorities, then they've taken everything in their own stride. I might be for or against but I would'nt blame anyone for the death of my children who took up the challenge to fight for changes.
As a reference point for the Tainanmen protest, the government wanted a discussion but the student leaders refused to budge. I wouldn't follow leaders of any kind if I wanted things changed because I need to chnge myself first.
I'm not saying who's right or wrong. My own philosophy is to follow the middle way . I think , as ksl pointed out too, that most Chinese are still quite innocent and naive about politics which is a very dirty game. To me, if it's bad enough to have a hateful oneparty govt, it'll be utterly a WOT to have multiple parties; they will all put up the cost of administrating the country so that eveyone gets higer taxation. lol

[JR8]

Re: Vaucluse

You just come across as an aggressive new yorker we are quite familair with. It's a good thing there's a hiatus for I really can't stand you!!! lol
And you even try to make me concoct a lie for you - well, you're so perverted, you can make me a mainlander if you like. Try and get me the passport too, can you?

Oh how utterly charming! Got to wonder why you bother posting here, when it always ends up with 'everyone offending you'.

You're a Chinese agent issit (despite never living there)? 50C mercenary army?



p.s. Can you do us a favour, and just shut your trap for a few days? You talk jibberish and just seem to antagonise people, as you will have noticed.

[nakatago]

Guys! Guys! Dining room table, remember?

[tyianchang]

Never mind the direct 'tangles' my family had with the Nazis, where I live you can barely walk down a street without a daily reminder of genocide.



The associated short article is well written and worth a read for anyone with an interest in history...
http://berlinmemory.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... ks-to.html

Believe me, I cried like I did when my fav aunt died when I first watched Holocaust in the 80s. Previous to that, I knew nothing about the nazis or racism, apart from the Japanese brutality in Malaysia. But as I read on, it's said that Hitler was Jewish himself and was bron out of incestous first cousin wedlock which made him mad? That true?

[Plavt]

But as I read on, it's said that Hitler was Jewish himself and was bron out of incestous first cousin wedlock which made him mad? That true?

Try using Google;

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... erjew.html

[tyianchang]

Re: Vaucluse

You just come across as an aggressive new yorker we are quite familair with. It's a good thing there's a hiatus for I really can't stand you!!! lol
And you even try to make me concoct a lie for you - well, you're so perverted, you can make me a mainlander if you like. Try and get me the passport too, can you?

Oh how utterly charming! Got to wonder why you bother posting here, when it always ends up with 'everyone offending you'.

You're a Chinese agent issit (despite never living there)? 50C mercenary army?



p.s. Can you do us a favour, and just shut your trap for a few days? You talk jibberish and just seem to antagonise people, as you will have noticed.

Oh really?
Something I notice about - really schizo - err a jekyll and hyde. I really suss you out to be a pathetic bully. Do us a favour and stop using words for words sake, and the usual pervertion of course. Take all your hitler posters and crackheads back with you, thank you. I'd never seen them before till now.
Always sabotaging people's OPs unless you don't know you're off topic as usual.

[JR8]

That's a good question. Obviously, I can't stop my children from what they want to do. I'd hope nothing violent would happen but if they're at the stage for a struggle of power with the authorities, then they've taken everything in their own stride. I might be for or against but I would'nt blame anyone for the death of my children who took up the challenge to fight for changes.

Just when you thought it couldn't plumb lower depths...

All you need to know. The will of any government would come before the lives of her own children.

[tyianchang]

But as I read on, it's said that Hitler was Jewish himself and was bron out of incestous first cousin wedlock which made him mad? That true?

Try using Google;

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... erjew.html

Thanks for the link.

[JR8]

Re: Vaucluse

You just come across as an aggressive new yorker we are quite familair with. It's a good thing there's a hiatus for I really can't stand you!!! lol
And you even try to make me concoct a lie for you - well, you're so perverted, you can make me a mainlander if you like. Try and get me the passport too, can you?

Oh how utterly charming! Got to wonder why you bother posting here, when it always ends up with 'everyone offending you'.

You're a Chinese agent issit (despite never living there)? 50C mercenary army?
p.s. Can you do us a favour, and just shut your trap for a few days? You talk jibberish and just seem to antagonise people, as you will have noticed.

Oh really?
Something I notice about - really schizo - err a jekyll and hyde. I really suss you out to be a pathetic bully. Do us a favour and stop using words for words sake, and the usual pervertion of course. Take all your hitler posters and crackheads back with you, thank you. I'd never seen them before till now.
Always sabotaging people's OPs unless you don't know you're off topic as usual.

Not at all. I feel quite entitled to paint an avowed supporter of Mao or Stalin or Hitler as a lunatic.

You forgive Mao's 50m+ death-toll on the basis that he planted some forests? Who precisely do you expect to take you seriously?

You rally to the CCP and Maoist cause, despite not being Chinese (national) and never having lived there. But you have read about it in a Belgravia library we are reassured! Who do you expect to take you seriously?

There seems to be a great deal that you do not know about. But at your age, not knowing about Hitler until the 1980's is extraordinary isn't it? Who do you expect to take you seriously?

You come to a discussion forum, but then anyone you disagree with is branded a bully. Why are you here and who do you expect to take you seriously?

And yet when anyone points any of this out, you accuse them of 'hating', 'racism', being 'spies' etc. Look in the mirror will you, and try and see yourself as others do!

[x9200]

You come to a discussion forum, but then anyone you disagree with is branded a bully.

C'mon, I manage to offend her once agreeing with her.