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so many plastic bags used??

Postby Eau2011 » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 7:36 pm

I came to Singapore two weeks ago from Germany. Yes a newbie.

Went to supermarket Giant a few times and saw they used so many plastic bags for carrying the goods. The same with bakery and other shops.

I can't keep thinking all the time how they do with the recycling. Will they do the waste seperation after they collect all the waste if they don't do it in the single household? Where will they dispose all those plastic bags? Singapore is such a small country. I'm not an eviromental freak, but this really bothers me much.

Can anyone give me clue? Thanks! :)
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Postby QRM » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 7:48 pm

They are very handy, as all the rubbish that goes down the chute needs to wrapped in a plastic bag, if the super market didn't give them out I would have to buy them anyway.

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Postby Eau2011 » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 7:56 pm

QRM wrote:They are very handy, as all the rubbish that goes down the chute needs to wrapped in a plastic bag, if the super market didn't give them out I would have to buy them anyway.


O.K., actually we're doing the same.

Do they do this on purpose? So we don't have to buy rubbish bag?

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 7:57 pm

Well 8-) , the blunt answer is that the majority of SGns are so busy grasping for the 5C's that they couldn't give a toss about the environment.

Walk to the MRT past HDB blocks at 5am and witness the daily detritus of sanitary pads chicken bones Kleenexe and orange peel that has been thrown from windows.

It doesn't get land-filled in SG... probably Indon.

2 weeks in? You better get used to the 'me me me culture'.

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 8:00 pm

QRM wrote:They are very handy, as all the rubbish that goes down the chute needs to wrapped in a plastic bag, if the super market didn't give them out I would have to buy them anyway.


I have to say I completely agree with the idiocy of this. If I don't get given plastic bags (London, Germany, etc) I then have to buy them. If I do, then I don't buy them.

My useage of plastic is the same.

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Postby Eau2011 » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 8:16 pm

JR8 wrote:Well 8-) , the blunt answer is that the majority of SGns are so busy grasping for the 5C's that they couldn't give a toss about the environment.

Walk to the MRT past HDB blocks at 5am and witness the daily detritus of sanitary pads chicken bones Kleenexe and orange peel that has been thrown from windows.

It doesn't get land-filled in SG... probably Indon.

2 weeks in? You better get used to the 'me me me culture'.


Read some articles about 5C's and etc...

Thought you'll get fined if you throw anything in a public places? So what is this scenario at 5am around HDB blocks?

Yes, I will get used to the me me culture, though I don't really know what it means. :?

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Postby Eau2011 » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 8:19 pm

JR8 wrote:
QRM wrote:They are very handy, as all the rubbish that goes down the chute needs to wrapped in a plastic bag, if the super market didn't give them out I would have to buy them anyway.


I have to say I completely agree with the idiocy of this. If I don't get given plastic bags (London, Germany, etc) I then have to buy them. If I do, then I don't buy them.

My useage of plastic is the same.


But the landfill should not be used for the plastic bags, right?

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 8:35 pm

Eau2011 wrote:
JR8 wrote:Well 8-) , the blunt answer is that the majority of SGns are so busy grasping for the 5C's that they couldn't give a toss about the environment.

Walk to the MRT past HDB blocks at 5am and witness the daily detritus of sanitary pads chicken bones Kleenexe and orange peel that has been thrown from windows.

It doesn't get land-filled in SG... probably Indon.

2 weeks in? You better get used to the 'me me me culture'.


Read some articles about 5C's and etc...

Thought you'll get fined if you throw anything in a public places? So what is this scenario at 5am around HDB blocks?

Only if there is someone to catch you. Behaviour is moderated by fines. No risk of fines...? who cares? In fact the cynic in me suggests that some SGns probably enjoy the kiasuism of throwing trash knowing that they will not be caught.

Yes, I will get used to the me me culture, though I don't really know what it means. :?

Oh dear, not trolling are you?

--- But the landfill should not be used for the plastic bags, right?

What do you throw rubbish out in in Germany? > Plastic bags. Where do they go? > landfill.

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Postby Eau2011 » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 8:46 pm

Eau2011 wrote:
JR8 wrote:Well 8-) , the blunt answer is that the majority of SGns are so busy grasping for the 5C's that they couldn't give a toss about the environment.

Walk to the MRT past HDB blocks at 5am and witness the daily detritus of sanitary pads chicken bones Kleenexe and orange peel that has been thrown from windows.

It doesn't get land-filled in SG... probably Indon.

2 weeks in? You better get used to the 'me me me culture'.


Read some articles about 5C's and etc...

Thought you'll get fined if you throw anything in a public places? So what is this scenario at 5am around HDB blocks?

Only if there is someone to catch you. Behaviour is moderated by fines. No risk of fines...? who cares? In fact the cynic in me suggests that some SGns probably enjoy the kiasuism of throwing trash knowing that they will not be caught.

Sure, behaviours are moderated by fines, crime is moderated by law, not much different.

Yes, I will get used to the me me culture, though I don't really know what it means. :?

Oh dear, not trolling are you?

seriously
--- But the landfill should not be used for the plastic bags, right?

What do you throw rubbish out in in Germany? > Plastic bags. Where do they go? > landfill.
I guess there is recycling, or am I wrong?
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Postby JR8 » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 9:04 pm

Eau2011 wrote:Read some articles about 5C's and etc...
Thought you'll get fined if you throw anything in a public places? So what is this scenario at 5am around HDB blocks?

Only if there is someone to catch you. Behaviour is moderated by fines. No risk of fines...? who cares? In fact the cynic in me suggests that some SGns probably enjoy the kiasuism of throwing trash knowing that they will not be caught.

Sure, behaviours are moderated by fines, crime is moderated by law, not much different.

Eau dear ;) You have moved from an essentially extremely formal and civic society to a wanton Chinese free-for-all. In time you will understand.


Yes, I will get used to the me me culture, though I don't really know what it means. :?

Oh dear, not trolling are you?
seriously


My point being you cannot 'get' something that you 'do not know what it means'!


--- But the landfill should not be used for the plastic bags, right?

What do you throw rubbish out in in Germany? > Plastic bags. Where do they go? > landfill.
I guess there is recycling, or am I wrong?

Do you think there are people at the rubbish depot who untie your plastic bags of rubbish and ensure the bags are recycled? :???: :lol:

Even if there were, how does not giving you plastic shopping bags generate less plastic, at least for the majority who use them as trash bags?

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 9:16 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arbpu1xKAow
George Carlin The Planet Is Fine

Enjoy 8-)

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Postby aster » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 9:19 pm

QRM wrote:They are very handy, as all the rubbish that goes down the chute needs to wrapped in a plastic bag, if the super market didn't give them out I would have to buy them anyway.


Yup, this is how these bags are recycled - by the end consumer who uses them for his rubbish bin. As mentioned we really put them to great use by not buying regular rubbish bags instead.

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 9:42 pm

aster wrote:
QRM wrote:They are very handy, as all the rubbish that goes down the chute needs to wrapped in a plastic bag, if the super market didn't give them out I would have to buy them anyway.


Yup, this is how these bags are recycled - by the end consumer who uses them for his rubbish bin. As mentioned we really put them to great use by not buying regular rubbish bags instead.


Trouble is that there is a total lack of joined up thinking.

If people don't get carrier bags at the shop, what will they throw rubbish out in? Er, they will have to buy plastic bags.

If people drive electric cars where does the power come from? Er, coal fired power stations.

Because wind power is not predictable, that supply is not dependable and so what is the result? Er, coal, gas and nuclear have to run at full capacity as a back-up 24/7/365.

Joined up thinking? Bureaucrats tick their own single box and declare the job is done. It is moronic, and expensive.

Surprisingly most 'sheeple' seem happy even eager to go along with this nonsense.

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Postby Eau2011 » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 9:59 pm

JR8 wrote:
aster wrote:
QRM wrote:They are very handy, as all the rubbish that goes down the chute needs to wrapped in a plastic bag, if the super market didn't give them out I would have to buy them anyway.


Yup, this is how these bags are recycled - by the end consumer who uses them for his rubbish bin. As mentioned we really put them to great use by not buying regular rubbish bags instead.


Trouble is that there is a total lack of joined up thinking.

If people don't get carrier bags at the shop, what will they throw rubbish out in? Er, they will have to buy plastic bags.

If people drive electric cars where does the power come from? Er, coal fired power stations.

Because wind power is not predictable, that supply is not dependable and so what is the result? Er, coal, gas and nuclear have to run at full capacity as a back-up 24/7/365.

Joined up thinking? Bureaucrats tick their own single box and declare the job is done. It is moronic, and expensive.

Surprisingly most 'sheeple' seem happy even eager to go along with this nonsense.


Paper bags for organic waste, at least a few hundreds of thousands plastic bags less.

Even cities like Shanghai and Shenzhen so far as I know, ask their citizens using textile bags in supermarkets, though China got many places for landfill, well, 1,4 billion ppl...

I should name you as the UN minister of environment.

I absolutely agree with you. But it seems the e-car market should have its advantage by using renewable energy.

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:25 pm

Eau2011 wrote:
JR8 wrote:
aster wrote:
QRM wrote:They are very handy, as all the rubbish that goes down the chute needs to wrapped in a plastic bag, if the super market didn't give them out I would have to buy them anyway.


Yup, this is how these bags are recycled - by the end consumer who uses them for his rubbish bin. As mentioned we really put them to great use by not buying regular rubbish bags instead.


Trouble is that there is a total lack of joined up thinking.

If people don't get carrier bags at the shop, what will they throw rubbish out in? Er, they will have to buy plastic bags.

If people drive electric cars where does the power come from? Er, coal fired power stations.

Because wind power is not predictable, that supply is not dependable and so what is the result? Er, coal, gas and nuclear have to run at full capacity as a back-up 24/7/365.

Joined up thinking? Bureaucrats tick their own single box and declare the job is done. It is moronic, and expensive.

Surprisingly most 'sheeple' seem happy even eager to go along with this nonsense.


Paper bags for organic waste, at least a few hundreds of thousands plastic bags less.

Even cities like Shanghai and Shenzhen so far as I know, ask their citizens using textile bags in supermarkets, though China got many places for landfill, well, 1,4 billion ppl...

I should name you as the UN minister of environment.

I absolutely agree with you. But it seems the e-car market should have its advantage by using renewable energy.


I live in Germany, and I have never seen a paper bag! Last time I saw a paper bag was in NYC where at check out they routinely ask if you want 'paper or plastic?'. Dang, those Americans are so environmentally responsible 8-)

Re-useable/textile shopping bags? Yes, in Singapore we were accumulating so many of them that we used them as rubbish bags to go down the chute. Ironic eh?

Haha re: the UN. Yes we used to work there in NYC. I'm firmly with John Bolton, it is a pointless talking shop but jeez it paid us well. 'You could take a 1/3rd off the top of the UN tower and it would make no difference'. Did you see this week the Indian FM read out a speech intended for the Portugese FM, at the UN, and it took anybody 5 minutes to notice lol! They'd never employ me directly as I am not a communist.

Maybe they'd appoint you as the minister of 'pointless gestures that make you feel good inside despite costing you a lot of money'?

p.s. What is renewable energy?


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