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Postby abcx » Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:25 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
The quota is based not on income but on whether they are full time or part time, not if they earn 500 or 1000 or more a month. You understanding is flawed. There are not any loopholes. None that can be discussed here anyway, as they contravene the law. F&B is the Service industry and their dependency ratio is 50%. I know. I'm the HR & Finance Mgr of a 200 man SME and we are have a Service Industry dependency ratio. Almost exactly half of my work force are foreign and 50% of those are S pass holders while the rest are WP's, with a single EP holder.

For your education and general knowledge:

http://www.mom.gov.sg/Documents/service ... alance.pdf


Thanks for the headsup SMS, I had thought the 25% dependency ceiling for S pass also applies to work permit. so this means service sector ratio is 1 WP to 1 local employee...

Since you have go thru the S pass and WP process frequently, can I ask you the main difference in criteria for these 2? Is $1800 the benchmark for spass vs wp? or does diploma vs uni degree plays a big factor too? reason I ask is because I tried the MOM self assessment test, and even if I choose a salary from 2k-2.5k, as long I did choose diploma, the test says I will fail for a spass application.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:49 pm

abcx wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:
The quota is based not on income but on whether they are full time or part time, not if they earn 500 or 1000 or more a month. You understanding is flawed. There are not any loopholes. None that can be discussed here anyway, as they contravene the law. F&B is the Service industry and their dependency ratio is 50%. I know. I'm the HR & Finance Mgr of a 200 man SME and we are have a Service Industry dependency ratio. Almost exactly half of my work force are foreign and 50% of those are S pass holders while the rest are WP's, with a single EP holder.

For your education and general knowledge:

http://www.mom.gov.sg/Documents/service ... alance.pdf


Thanks for the headsup SMS, I had thought the 25% dependency ceiling for S pass also applies to work permit. so this means service sector ratio is 1 WP to 1 local employee...

Since you have go thru the S pass and WP process frequently, can I ask you the main difference in criteria for these 2? Is $1800 the benchmark for spass vs wp? or does diploma vs uni degree plays a big factor too? reason I ask is because I tried the MOM self assessment test, and even if I choose a salary from 2k-2.5k, as long I did choose diploma, the test says I will fail for a spass application.


The S pass holder MUST be paid a minimum of 1800/mo. The criteria (as stated is a degree or diploma & experience )
Mid-level skilled foreigners (e.g. technicians) who wish to work in Singapore may apply for an S Pass. Applicants will be assessed on a points system, taking into account multiple criteria. S Pass applicants accumulate points based on how far they meet the criteria. As a general guide, these criteria can be broadly described as (for illustrative purposes only):

* A minimum fixed salary of $1,800
* Educational qualifications
o A degree, diploma
o Technical certificates can be considered. These are, very broadly, courses that train the applicant to be a qualified technician or specialist in their chosen field. The certification should comprise of at least one year of full-time study.
* Type of job (e.g. professional, specialist or technician)
* Number of years of relevant work experience


However, in actual practice for the past two or three years, we find very few who hold less than a relevant degree who are being approved. The criteria hasn't changed, the interpretation has. They are being more stringent now. In the past, we could have Non-technical degree holders working as technicians on S passes. Now, I've lost several on renewal as they "No longer meet the criteria" and stated as such - not my paraphrasing. Since Sept 2009 they have tightened up considerably and diploma holders are getting short shrift. However, even though the self assessment tool indicates you will fail, that is not the end of it. It's just to give you an idea. If you have a diploma and 5+ years experience in the same industry that your diploma is in (and the applied for position is also in), then you stand a good chance of being approved.

Otherwise, you can always be approved for a WP. If you are here to earn money, there is nothing wrong with the WP. I know WP's making upwards of 4K/mo in the shipyards (coded welders for instance). If you are here to try to immigrate, then you have a problem that's not likely to be resolved in the current climate.'

Thanks for the headsup SMS, I had thought the 25% dependency ceiling for S pass also applies to work permit. so this means service sector ratio is 1 WP to 1 local employee...


Basically, correct. however the S pass holder are limited to 25% of the work force but this reduces the number of WP holders 1 for 1. Same goes for the NTS workers. If you had 100 employees, maxed out count for the foreigners (using the full sub-quotas) would be 25 S pass holders, 10 NTS WP holders and 15 other WP holders. NTS refers to Thailand, the Philippines, India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Myanmar & the PRC

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:10 am

thismyvoice wrote:Service sector employers are allowed to employ Work Permit holders up to 50% of the company’s/firm’s total workforce. PRC Work Permit holders can make up to 10% within the 50% Dependency Ceiling.


A little clarification might be helpful as well. I posed a question to MOM regarding quotas after posting here last Friday. They have admitted to me this morning (via Telecon this morning) that the website is not very clear. (Hopefully they will change it). To wit:

A company's/firm's total "workforce" when it come to computing the quota for a given dependency ratio, does not include any EP holders. Therefore, their definition for this purpose is as noted in parentheses, the total of Local/PR's, WP's and S pass holders ONLY. So it is, in fact, not the "total" workforce. Which, of course means that a "service" company with 24 employees, of which 12 are EP holders, would mean that the quota for S pass holders would be a maximum of 6 S passes.

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Postby abcx » Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:11 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
A little clarification might be helpful as well. I posed a question to MOM regarding quotas after posting here last Friday. They have admitted to me this morning (via Telecon this morning) that the website is not very clear. (Hopefully they will change it). To wit:

A company's/firm's total "workforce" when it come to computing the quota for a given dependency ratio, does not include any EP holders. Therefore, their definition for this purpose is as noted in parentheses, the total of Local/PR's, WP's and S pass holders ONLY. So it is, in fact, not the "total" workforce. Which, of course means that a "service" company with 24 employees, of which 12 are EP holders, would mean that the quota for S pass holders would be a maximum of 6 S passes.


thanks for your follow up on this. I have 2 scenarios to clarify things

if lets say my friend works full time in our f&b business and we employ another full time guy (local/pr) into the business. If we decide to employ another wp/sp foreigner (either from NTS or TS) into the business, it means 33% (1 of 3) of our workforce is a foreigner, so there shouldnt be any problem in terms of quota for a service business right?

what if now only my friend is working full time, and we employ a Malaysian wp holder fulltime into the business. That means its already 1 for 1 in terms of foreigner and we have hit the 50% DR limit, so we will not be able to employ another wp/sp, is my understanding right?


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