beppi wrote: Let's also mention the recent scientific results showing that having more money doesn't lead to more fulfilled lives (independent of culture, there is no correlation) and we have all the East-West stereotypes in one thread!
Are you sure about that? I think if we thought hard we could come up with some more 
I didn't read the book, but from the interview I took that her daughter rebelled on her on the point of taking violin (or piano, I don't remember which) lessons, and she eventually was made to see that she was capable of making her own choices, and that parents sometimes have to choose their battles.JR8 wrote:I'm curious how it back-fired. Can anyone give a single sentence summary?
I don't disagree that she sounds like a heinous b!tch but I think imprisoning her is a little harsh. I wouldn't use her methods myself but I don't think they should be judged too harshly from an outsider's perspective.Mary Hatch Bailey wrote:Exactly. What an asshole. She should be in prison.k1w1 wrote:Yes, she has since had to admit that her torrent of emotional abuse was not the best way to motivate her child - but only because it backfired on her.
Respectfully: Bullsh*t! Systematic bullying of your children, refusing to give them bathroom breaks, telling them that being #1 in the 3rd grade is the only acceptable outcome, not allowing them to go on sleepovers ~ is disgusting and will breed resentment. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of their lives. If you want to equate Amy Chua's tactics with someone you've observed, go right ahead, but that is one slippery slope.poodlek wrote:They love their parents and hold no resentment towards them for ill-treatment. So who am I to judge their parenting style, as long as they are not breaking any laws?
I'm not speaking for her kids, I'm only speaking for the families I know. And it's not too different, really. I don't speak Russian or Chinese, so I can't know what they are saying to their children, but I have observed denying bathroom breaks and demanding absolute excellence from small children. I have had the opportunity to know some of them from childhood into early adulthood and beyond, and have heard stories from adults to corroborate what I think I have observed. I don't make the comparison lightly. The issue for me here is that "society" is the lens through which we are viewing these practices, and maybe in Amy Chua's instance, society has shaped her children as well, making her parenting practices less effective. But there are instances outside of Western society where these things are not only perfectly acceptable, they are highly effective. What is considered child abuse is a social construct, and it's not the same across the board. So if in their society, the children don't consider themselves to be abused, why would they harbour resentment?Mary Hatch Bailey wrote:Respectfully: Bullsh*t! Systematic bullying of your children, refusing to give them bathroom breaks, telling them that being #1 in the 3rd grade is the only acceptable outcome, not allowing them to go on sleepovers ~ is disgusting and will breed resentment. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of their lives. If you want to equate Amy Chua's tactics with someone you've observed, go right ahead, but that is one slippery slope.poodlek wrote:They love their parents and hold no resentment towards them for ill-treatment. So who am I to judge their parenting style, as long as they are not breaking any laws?
We should all judge, otherwise society has let those poor girls down. They need to know what happened to them wasn't right.
Dork!JR8 wrote:I'm joking hehehe...
Do carry on!
edit to add: Can you not make the connection between the quoted comment from SMS and the image I posted? Jeez, women, no sense of humour! [that's a joke by the way!]
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