k1w1 wrote:
The sad thing, I reckon, is that once you get to the point where you can see "home" through foreign lenses, you never quite feel at peace with it in quite the same way again.
Thanks for putting in your POV Beppi. If you read carefuly, in my OP there was no indication of superiority, far from it; but a suggestion of different attitudes and a questioning of the degrees to which FP is practiced or changed today.beppi wrote:If Filial We can continue forever searching for reasons to claim one culture superior to another, but to me it's just another example of different, not worse.
What is really lacking (on any side of this debate) is not Filial Piety, but understanding, open-mindedness and tolerance!
Can we continue the discussion in this spirit?
Read JR8's in this column but many posts back which says - "Chinese culture ? Follow the money." It's an offensive remark and it's racist as it stereotypes. It's not acceptable. Or is it that he just can't take it that China had repelled the gun boats and the opium to make such 'a great leap forward?'sundaymorningstaple wrote:No, but if one gets beyond her style of writing (which would put any Indian graduate's Shakespearean era prose to shame) and distills it down to my level of understanding (that of a peon or farmer), she has her points that are, at times, hard to refute. Unfortunately, due to her long and winding missives, some get tired or just plain aggravated and that's when the sniping starts from the rest of you lot.
Of course, anne, you need to not be too thin-skinned as well. Most here don't mean any harm and as I pointed out to you some time ago, some just like to bait you because they know you will take the bait. That or they don't have the patience to do the necessary research to debate your statements.
And that, folks, is why I let these discourses continue as I find both sides, on occasion, rising to the bait. But it's all in fun. Nobody's called anybody "derogatory" names, or made "racist" comments.
And, as long as that doesn't start happening, I'm okay.
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JR8 wrote:Are you talking about the Maoris?They rub noses as a greeting. Try meditating on the Himalayas . You'll feel peace for the world.k1w1 wrote:
The sad thing, I reckon, is that once you get to the point where you can see "home" through foreign lenses, you never quite feel at peace with it in quite the same way again.
Well put, how true that is.
I no longer feel any 'draw' to ever visit the UK again, never mind live there. In that respect I feel rather stateless. A strange feeling.
Why can't JR8 voice his opinion, even if it is offensivee? Isn't that free speech is all about?tyianchang wrote:
Read JR8's in this column but many posts back which says - "Chinese culture ? Follow the money." It's an offensive remark and it's racist as it stereotypes. It's not acceptable. Or is it that he just can't take it that China had repelled the gun boats and the opium to make such 'a great leap forward?' .
The OP is not forwarded as a debate but a platform for discussion.Mad Scientist wrote:This debate is about FP but I think it is far from it as every turn will see the other side of the bridge
For me like SMS, JR8 , KSL , beppi, k1w1 where our spouse are from the other side it is hard to quantify what is good for others may not be good for some. The list goes on. For me cross culture can be a shock to many of us. I just take it in my stride and try to accommodate and compromise.
This debate is going nowhere unless one REALLY understands the other person POV
I thought you'd appreciate the irony as that was what crossed my mind when I read your ultra sensitive and beautiful expression. It was an experience I had when I visited the native reservations in the outbacks of Minnesota or Dakota, and it's frequently reinforced by great guys like Bruce Perry in his sojourns into the great unreported worlds among people whose lives are lived as they were before the bulldozers, diggers and concretization. Did I exactly use any accusations? Not my style or intention unless slanted to appear that way.k1w1 wrote:No, I wasn't talking about "the Maoris". I must say it's ironic that you assumed I am not Maori, or that I am ignorant of traditional greetings used in my own country. Flies in the face of your accusation of others having cultural assumptions, doesn't it?
The specific examples of FP I saw being practsied in SG where the giving of monthly allowances to parents are something to be admired surely, expecially when giving away one's earnings or assets is nowadays, a thing of the past confined to those megarich or with ancestral inheritances.x9200 wrote:As mentioned before: you do not advertise financial problems of your family in front of the strangers that's pretty obvious. Equally obvious you help your parents if they are in need. The whole idea of institutionalized pocket money to the parents sounds really weird and kind of undignifying.. On top of this everybody wants to be independent and majority of the parents are. Their planned their life to achieve this with retirement plans and their children are never a part of these plans. Relying as a principle on your children as the main source of income is something in Western culture unthinkable. No parents want to be a burden for their children so even if in financial troubles such help is normally accepted with a lot of resistance.
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