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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 15 Mar 2011 9:25 am

That's easy. A single word.

Opportunists.

A whole country of 'em. Over a billion of 'em. Feeding off the misery of others.

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Postby nakatago » Tue, 15 Mar 2011 9:32 am

EDIT: too easy a target.

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Postby earthfriendly » Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:40 am

As an aside this evening at our household.

My daughter "Daddy why did the astronaut carry an American flag when they got to the moon?" Hubby "To let them know we come in peace for all mankind". Me, tears well up.

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Postby tyianchang » Tue, 15 Mar 2011 4:53 pm

Mary Hatch Bailey wrote:
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Mary Hatch Bailey wrote:I'm afraid you've missed k1w1's point completely tyianchang :roll:

I think perhaps it is this disassociation that got you into hot water in the first place.

If you could just extend your thought processes to accommodate other perspectives (your opening, original post stating that filial piety was unknown in the West) and simple cause and effect (the article k1w1 posted is directly related tot he concept of Chinese filial piety) you might piss less people off. Just a thought.


The fact is FP as presented in the op is purely contained within the Chinese families I met. All the discussions after the op pointed out the different attitudes people have towards it. Demanding, as you put it, 'individual thought processes to accommodate other perspectives ' sounds clever with words but is hardly what discussions about. Similarly, only politicians are good at speaking for 'the people.' Tant pis.


You completely misinterpreted and then re-wrote what I said. This is the crux of the issue.


I wouldn't bother. What's apparent is bellicose domination is not what discussions about - favourite word of yours hole, pitfall etc, boy, what condemnations. Misinterpretingm rewriting? I don't get down to that.
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Postby tyianchang » Tue, 15 Mar 2011 4:59 pm

k1w1 wrote:
But they are claiming they should have had more compensation *because* due to filial peity they lost more MONEY than other parents... Can you really not see just how descpicable that is?


Did they actually use the phrase ' due to filial piety' or due to the 'one child policy'? I don't see FP being mentioned anywhere in that report, unless 'pension' is assumed to be synonymous. In the op FP is not the same as 'pension.'
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Postby tyianchang » Tue, 15 Mar 2011 5:05 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:That's easy. A single word.

Opportunists.

A whole country of 'em. Over a billion of 'em. Feeding off the misery of others.


Who are you accusing?
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Postby Mary Hatch Bailey » Tue, 15 Mar 2011 5:32 pm

tyianchang wrote:
Mary Hatch Bailey wrote:
tyianchang wrote:
Mary Hatch Bailey wrote:I'm afraid you've missed k1w1's point completely tyianchang :roll:

I think perhaps it is this disassociation that got you into hot water in the first place.

If you could just extend your thought processes to accommodate other perspectives (your opening, original post stating that filial piety was unknown in the West) and simple cause and effect (the article k1w1 posted is directly related tot he concept of Chinese filial piety) you might piss less people off. Just a thought.


The fact is FP as presented in the op is purely contained within the Chinese families I met. All the discussions after the op pointed out the different attitudes people have towards it. Demanding, as you put it, 'individual thought processes to accommodate other perspectives ' sounds clever with words but is hardly what discussions about. Similarly, only politicians are good at speaking for 'the people.' Tant pis.


You completely misinterpreted and then re-wrote what I said. This is the crux of the issue.


I wouldn't bother. What's apparent is bellicose domination is not what discussions about - favourite word of yours hole, pitfall etc, boy, what condemnations. Misinterpretingm rewriting? I don't get down to that.


Wouldn't bother what ? If anyone is bellicose, it surely is you Annie. Why use 5 words when 50 will do, eh? Aiyoh...

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 15 Mar 2011 5:44 pm

tyianchang wrote:
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[quote="tyianchang wrote:

But they are claiming they should have had more compensation *because* due to filial peity they lost more MONEY than other parents... Can you really not see just how descpicable that is?


Did they actually use the phrase ' due to filial piety' or due to the 'one child policy'? I don't see FP being mentioned anywhere in that report, unless 'pension' is assumed to be synonymous. In the op FP is not the same as 'pension.'


Lei said there was a notable difference between Chinese families and other foreign families which needed to be taken into consideration when providing compensation to families who lost their only child.

"You can expect how lonely, how desperate they are ... not only from losing loved ones, but losing almost entirely the major source of economic assistance after retirement," he told Radio New Zealand.


Which is easily the most obvious aspect left of FP (if not the only from the sounds of it). I believe it has become something of a expectation instead of a wish that they get "respect" from their child/children. But it would seem that they equate "respect" with Yuan/Renminbi as a fixed descriptive.

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Postby nakatago » Tue, 15 Mar 2011 5:51 pm

SMS, I'm seeing this thread will again degenerate into something really ugly.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 15 Mar 2011 5:56 pm

Just like a symphony conductor wouldn't you say? :lol:

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 15 Mar 2011 5:56 pm

And a very similar article today from the Telegraph in the UK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ation.html

I think the point of the story and it going global, is that people find the attitude so repellent.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 15 Mar 2011 5:58 pm

Yeah but the Telegraph story leaves out the important bits. They've changed it to future breadwinner which isn't quite the same thing.

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Postby x9200 » Tue, 15 Mar 2011 6:14 pm

nakatago wrote:SMS, I'm seeing this thread will again degenerate into something really ugly.

Probably more accurate and worth to notice would be if you could say one day that this thread is about to degenerate into something nice.

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Postby ksl » Tue, 15 Mar 2011 6:21 pm

x9200 wrote:
nakatago wrote:SMS, I'm seeing this thread will again degenerate into something really ugly.

Probably more accurate and worth to notice would be if you could say one day that this thread is about to degenerate into something nice.
This thread will one day degenerate into the jokes section which is more positive than rubbish :lol: How's that!

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Postby nakatago » Tue, 15 Mar 2011 6:23 pm

x9200 wrote:
nakatago wrote:SMS, I'm seeing this thread will again degenerate into something really ugly.

Probably more accurate and worth to notice would be if you could say one day that this thread is about to degenerate into something nice.


Let's try it then: Ponies!


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