Wanna bet! That's exactly what the gahmen thought when they gave out $20K baby bonuses. BBZZZZZZ!ev-disinfection wrote:give the driver something for his effort to return, and then more will return stuff than less, in future.
Well, didn't say that it was not a problem, don't you think that by giving them something for their effort, it will help to slowing change things? I agreed that all humans should be naturally gracious, but most are notsundaymorningstaple wrote:Wanna bet! That's exactly what the gahmen thought when they gave out $20K baby bonuses. BBZZZZZZ!ev-disinfection wrote:give the driver something for his effort to return, and then more will return stuff than less, in future.
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Well, 20 k for more babies, is not a good incentive, cause it will clash with their careers (happening all over the world), remember the days when men worked and women took care of the homes, the reason for the low birth rate is women working.
That's the problem here, social morals here are only practiced when there is a monetary reward attached to them. Or a monetary penalty attached to them if they don't. (littering) Otherwise, pfft!
You are right! Though I wish someone would return my leather bag that i left behind someplace in Orchard area, the night i had tooo manyev-disinfection wrote:Well, didn't say that it was not a problem, don't you think that by giving them something for their effort, it will help to slowing change things? I agreed that all humans should be naturally gracious, but most are notsundaymorningstaple wrote:Wanna bet! That's exactly what the gahmen thought when they gave out $20K baby bonuses. BBZZZZZZ!ev-disinfection wrote:give the driver something for his effort to return, and then more will return stuff than less, in future.
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Well, 20 k for more babies, is not a good incentive, cause it will clash with their careers (happening all over the world), remember the days when men worked and women took care of the homes, the reason for the low birth rate is women working.
That's the problem here, social morals here are only practiced when there is a monetary reward attached to them. Or a monetary penalty attached to them if they don't. (littering) Otherwise, pfft!
ev-disinfection wrote:Well, didn't say that it was not a problem, don't you think that by giving them something for their effort, it will help to slowing change things?sundaymorningstaple wrote:Wanna bet! That's exactly what the gahmen thought when they gave out $20K baby bonuses. BBZZZZZZ!ev-disinfection wrote:give the driver something for his effort to return, and then more will return stuff than less, in future.
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Well, 20 k for more babies, is not a good incentive, cause it will clash with their careers (happening all over the world), remember the days when men worked and women took care of the homes, the reason for the low birth rate is women working.
Is that what you are trying to blame the low fertility rate on? BS! Most families in the US have both parents working and the fertility rate is 2.3. Go figure! Actually I don't remember those days and my memory goes back 6 decades. Though, I do remember the days when both my parents worked, (the whole time I was a child until well after I left home) and my mother kept house, cleaned, cooked and took care of us kids as well. All without "hired" help. I think the guys here are afraid of the women and can no longer get it up. Heck, you hear 'em crying all the time how having to NS will "let the women get ahead of us in business" yadda, yadda, yadda. If they get much more emasculated, we'll not be able to tell if they are men or eunuchs. So much for the patriarchal society.![]()
That's the problem here, social morals here are only practiced when there is a monetary reward attached to them. Or a monetary penalty attached to them if they don't. (littering) Otherwise, pfft!
Nope. Not in the least. Well, maybe after 3 generations. The courtesy campaign has been running now for 32 years. I've been here for 29 of them, Absolutely no change yet. That's 1.5 generations already!
I agreed that all humans should be naturally gracious, but most are not
My favourite saying!ev-disinfection wrote:so what should be done? is it impossible or need a couple of more generations... Well, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem,
I am all for more foreign talent to come in, and mind you...not only the China, India, Indonesian and Malaysian people, to keep Singapore "Asian".sundaymorningstaple wrote:I think that the problem is immigration. You need to open it up and let in more foreigners. Otherwise, it isn't going to matter. The MNC's will be gone and this country will revert to the backwater it once was all because of the graying population due to too low of a birth rate. You all are so wrapped up in your mememem selves that you don't see the writing on the wall. Without foreigners, who's going to do the work and keep productivity up and ever increasing GDP that will be needed to keep attracting foreign businesses to locate here? All because of whining locals who cry over lost jobs, but want more money, but do less work. And expect foreigners, who they don't want, to continue to pick up their garbage that they are too lazy to throw into the bins provided right beside every HDB mailbox.
ev-disinfection wrote:I am all for more foreign talent to come in, and mind you...not only the China, India, Indonesian and Malaysian people, to keep Singapore "Asian".sundaymorningstaple wrote:I think that the problem is immigration. You need to open it up and let in more foreigners. Otherwise, it isn't going to matter. The MNC's will be gone and this country will revert to the backwater it once was all because of the graying population due to too low of a birth rate. You all are so wrapped up in your mememem selves that you don't see the writing on the wall. Without foreigners, who's going to do the work and keep productivity up and ever increasing GDP that will be needed to keep attracting foreign businesses to locate here? All because of whining locals who cry over lost jobs, but want more money, but do less work. And expect foreigners, who they don't want, to continue to pick up their garbage that they are too lazy to throw into the bins provided right beside every HDB mailbox.
Do you agree that the expats should mix around more with the locals, to form a better Singapore?
If more FT come and eventully live here, but stick to their own enclaves, it will not help much.
Have you tried asking some of these FT out for a drink before? it is not easy ...
ev-disinfection wrote: I am all for more foreign talent to come in, and mind you...not only the China, India, Indonesian and Malaysian people, to keep Singapore "Asian".
Do you agree that the expats should mix around more with the locals, to form a better Singapore?
By all means. That's why I spent 6 hours Saturday morning & afternoon helping Minister Lim Hwee Hua hand out bursary awards to local school children. It's also the reason that I've been a member of our Executive Member of our RC for several years now. I, like a lot of other expats, live in HDB flats (but the citizens don't want us there either - claim we drive up the prices - damned if we do try to mix and damned if we don't.)
If more FT come and eventully live here, but stick to their own enclaves, it will not help much.
When the citizens don't welcome us into the heartlands, what to do? You also seem to forget that expats aren't all "white".
Have you tried asking some of these FT out for a drink before? it is not easy ...
Not all FT are heavy drinkers....
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