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Postby ranil_19 » Wed, 16 Feb 2011 4:57 pm

was able to succesfully talked to MOM officer and glad HE was very cool asking what he can do for me. I was expecting the other way and that I was prepared for that. But then, its the other way around. Really appreciate him. Even giving some ideas that possibly in the next few days. Means, no result yet though its already on the 3rd week..
still got some time for the thrill... 8-)

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Postby ecureilx » Wed, 16 Feb 2011 4:59 pm

ranil_19 wrote:was able to succesfully talked to MOM officer and glad HE was very cool what he can do for me.


Damn- you were surprised to see the govt staff nice and helpful is it ?? :) :)

Sometimes I wonder where people get the impression that Government servants here are rude and annoyed - anyway, it's good that you know where to go for help

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Postby ranil_19 » Wed, 16 Feb 2011 5:06 pm

ecureilx wrote:
ranil_19 wrote:was able to succesfully talked to MOM officer and glad HE was very cool what he can do for me.


Damn- you were surprised to see the govt staff nice and helpful is it ?? :) :)

Sometimes I wonder where people get the impression that Government servants here are rude and annoyed - anyway, it's good that you know where to go for help

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Sorry for my impression with them that they are of that strict as they reject applications. And was directly able to compare how our government staff from my own country worked.180 degrees opposite. Ours are not servants, they are masters... :(

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 16 Feb 2011 5:25 pm

Yeah, here they are very adept at smiling when they shaft you. After all, these are the same people who are complaining to the gahmen that the foreigners are taking all the jobs, and jacking up the HDB resale COV's. :lol:

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Postby ecureilx » Wed, 16 Feb 2011 5:27 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Yeah, here they are very adept at smiling when they shaft you. After all, these are the same people who are complaining to the gahmen that the foreigners are taking all the jobs, and jacking up the HDB resale COV's. :lol:


Atleast comparing the pay of the govt servants of ranil_19's country, I guess the Singapore Govt servants are paid enough to be reasonably beyond corruption and atleast seem to be helpful (or in my cases before - really did help :D)

As for the rest .. haha .. no comments Jose'

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Postby phidont » Wed, 16 Feb 2011 6:50 pm

I have a question. In case my pass has been rejected again then should my employer submit appeal 1 more time? I heard from my friends that we could book appointment with a duty officer and talk directly to him or her. She or he may approved or reject immediately during an interview. Is it true?

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Postby ecureilx » Wed, 16 Feb 2011 7:00 pm

phidont wrote:I have a question. In case my pass has been rejected again then should my employer submit appeal 1 more time? I heard from my friends that we could book appointment with a duty officer and talk directly to him or her. She or he may approved or reject immediately during an interview. Is it true?


Maybe somebody can tell me otherwise, but you don't get approved or rejected during interview .. if at all there is an interview.

The only interviews I assisted was for singers and entertainers - never for professionals.

The duty officers listen carefully, and give some support, and take your application, and if at all it is within their pay grade, they will tell you what is wrong (your employer quota exceeded, or your pay doesn't match your work, or your skills are far away from your work) but - they just don't do anything like you say ..

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 16 Feb 2011 9:49 pm

It is, on rare occasions, like the company REALLY needing your niche expertise, that you, accompanied by either your HR Manager or preferably the MD of the company, complete with all of your documents (originals only) and a good letter from the MD on company letterhead to ICA, explaining in detail why it is so essential to hire YOU as a foreigner. The MD must be familiar with the case and you need all your ducks in order before you go down there. When you get to the counter request an audience with an ICA Officer (not a line clerk). You will get sent to another area where there are small offices and once in the interview, upon reviewing all the information and file, if the officer feels an injustice has been done, he does have the power to approve the application. We've done it several times. There have been a few on the board who also were successful using this route, but, if you have nothing substantially new (and relevant!) to add to the case, the odds are against you.

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Postby ecureilx » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:45 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:It is, on rare occasions, like the company REALLY needing your niche expertise,


Thanks SMS - Lucky for me, in my EP days (Before the Q/P/S days) and the subsequent Pass days, I never had to face this ..

The closest I came to disaster was 3 months of continuous rejection and then every appeal accepted + the SVP extended every time .. till I figured out that the problem - the employer who was recruiting me - though he had 10 staff on his payroll, the majority were all virtually phantom staff - his wife, sister, brother, cousin etc. etc. and all were paid nominal salary of $ 500 a month - based on the CPF contribution statement of the employer (which I photocopied from the HR person's table and took with me when I went to meet the MOM officer - yes, I know it was wrong to photocopy it - but I was stuck and the employer refused to pay me and I was forced to be free labour and messy) when I managed to get the right person in MOM to advice, I was asked why the staff are all paid less than what a coffee shop aunty gets, and was advised to ask the employer to fly a kit and look for a new employer - So I did, and hey, my next pass with the new employer was approved in 3 working days ...

PS: maybe my ranting is irrelevant, but, that goes on to prove that sometimes the problem is with the employer - not the employee, and MOM is loath to tell you the truth ..

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 12:14 pm

That is very true. There are quite a few black sheep employers on this little red dot. Often times it goes on for quite a while until they run into somebody like me or you. My philosophy has always been (married or not) I was looking for a job when I took this position and I'll be looking for a job when I leave. The only thing that's changed is the passage of time. I'll not be walked on unless "I" allow it. If somebody is getting walked on, they deserve to be walked on.

To me, it's similar to those who complain about rudeness & inconsideration of large chunks of the population here. My take? If you observe acts of inconsideration and you do not say anything, then you are tacitly approving of their actions and have no right to complain to anybody else.

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Postby ecureilx » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 1:21 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:That is very true. There are quite a few black sheep employers on this little red dot.


Rather, I would say that since it is a small country, and everybody is out to squeeze a dollar out of you, they try - now only Singapore was like 3000 kilometers by 6000 kilometers or eve 300 kilometer by 600 kilometer .. :lol: :lol:

By the way, to those who whine and moan - in my days, I had to cancel my EP and then make sure my employer gives me a a letter saying that the old EP is cancelled, and there is no objection and then switch to SVP before submission of new EP and then pray that it is approved ... that was the time MOM / Work pass was in Lavender Street

Those who say Singapore sucks when it comes to MOM and the difficulties when switching jobs - do have a cozy life nowadays .. .. :D :D

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Postby ranil_19 » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 1:28 pm

Hi guys..
A short status as to my epass appeal.
After almost on the 3rd week, the MOM contacted my agent saying that
my family name had been amended since it was wrongly key in at first.

And the explanation i got from the agent, that I have a new FIN since its a new application(amendment). Means I can not check using the old FIN using the online inquiry. I tried to ask my NEW FIN from the agent, but so far did not give me . My friend told me that they should have it already.
And does it means that I will wait for around ANOther 3 weeks?wow..I hope not
I wanna call MOM to ask for the NEW FIN but thinking twice as my agent, as I understand it, must have already the FIN.

Anyone might any ideas or words to share with.


Thanks

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Postby ecureilx » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 1:34 pm

ranil_19 wrote:I wanna call MOM to ask for the NEW FIN but thinking twice as my agent, as I understand it, must have already the FIN.


If your agent is honest and sincere and you trust him/her- then wait ..

And only when the pass is approved do they send the new FIN # with the approval letter ..

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Postby ranil_19 » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 1:48 pm

And only when the pass is approved do they send the new FIN # with the approval letter ..[/quote]

Sure? Then how one can do the online checking for a fresh application if the FIN is not given prior to the result? Means always need someone with FIN to check with?
And only when its approved, means you can not have your FIN even if its rejected? Thats how I get the logic from you

Thanks anyway..

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Postby ecureilx » Thu, 17 Feb 2011 1:56 pm

ranil_19 wrote:And only when its approved, means you can not have your FIN even if its rejected? Thats how I get the logic from you

Thanks anyway..


If you don't get it - never mind - I only lived here for 14 years, and almost every year, got a new pass, and also have assisted for a dozen more ..

If you don't believe me - tell me - if MOM is to issue FIN # for every application, they would need a 10 digit or more .. :D :D


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