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Postby pokey » Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:32 pm

i'm not too sure either.. probably with a printed letter, dated the date before the resignation?

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Postby BillyB » Tue, 18 Jan 2011 9:50 am

Almost exactly the same thing happened to my girlfriend. The employer is taking the p*ss and doesn't have a leg to stand on. Clearly they are looking after their own backs - is it a staffing and recruitment issue in that it will take a while to recruit and train a replacement?

I would tell your friend to tender the resignation, stick to her plan and remain amicable. If the employer tries to back-date (which I have no idea how he will pull that one off given that, as SMS points out, the email will be timestamped, and surely any change in the contract will require a signature from the employee. Which of course she can refuse to sign).

The employer wants the best of both worlds in the situation you have described. Obviously wanting someone to work without full benefits for 6 months, but now trying to cover their backsides with manipulation and policy changes.

Your friend is making the right move by leaving the company. Anyone who dishonours a contract or tries to invoke changes cannot be trusted; and it brings into question other ways they do business.

I'd personally get your friend to report them as this sort of crap shouldn't be going on and employers who think they can re-write the rules should be brought down a peg or two.

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Postby ecureilx » Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:09 am

BillyB wrote:Almost exactly the same thing happened to my girlfriend. The employer is taking the p*ss and doesn't have a leg to stand on. Clearly they are looking after their own backs - is it a staffing and recruitment issue in that it will take a while to recruit and train a replacement?


Well, you would never know, and they day your run your own company - you will know what is fair and unfari.

I would tell your friend to tender the resignation, stick to her plan and remain amicable. If the employer tries to back-date (which I have no idea how he will pull that one off given that, as SMS points out, the email will be timestamped, and surely any change in the contract will require a signature from the employee. Which of course she can refuse to sign).


Well, as a matter of fact, I had a run in with an employer - thank God it was a 3 months stint - where while he would ask for such backdated stuff, when things go titty up - he is the first one to remind me of CPIB and all .. no - never in my life I will do such backdating and such stuff ..


The employer wants the best of both worlds in the situation you have described. Obviously wanting someone to work without full benefits for 6 months, but now trying to cover their backsides with manipulation and policy changes.



Well, that's your impression - but I don't buy it .. somebody is not being truthful here - but hey, that's the beauty of any forum - you can feed just about enough info to feel good about your actions :D right ?

Your friend is making the right move by leaving the company. Anyone who dishonours a contract or tries to invoke changes cannot be trusted; and it brings into question other ways they do business.


Yah right - :D This is interesting : Did you know that companies are to make money and not run for charity ? While the OP has painted the image that the boss is a jerk, would you or me or him/her know whether the guy is just managing and is answerable to his shareholders ??

I'd personally get your friend to report them as this sort of crap shouldn't be going on and employers who think they can re-write the rules should be brought down a peg or two.


Well, that sound like a great advice :D

I am not siding with the employer - after all, me too am an employee - but I got a nagging feeling that something is amiss here .. but - who cares ...

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Postby BillyB » Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:02 pm

ecureilx wrote:
BillyB wrote:Almost exactly the same thing happened to my girlfriend. The employer is taking the p*ss and doesn't have a leg to stand on. Clearly they are looking after their own backs - is it a staffing and recruitment issue in that it will take a while to recruit and train a replacement?


Well, you would never know, and they day your run your own company - you will know what is fair and unfari.

I would tell your friend to tender the resignation, stick to her plan and remain amicable. If the employer tries to back-date (which I have no idea how he will pull that one off given that, as SMS points out, the email will be timestamped, and surely any change in the contract will require a signature from the employee. Which of course she can refuse to sign).


Well, as a matter of fact, I had a run in with an employer - thank God it was a 3 months stint - where while he would ask for such backdated stuff, when things go titty up - he is the first one to remind me of CPIB and all .. no - never in my life I will do such backdating and such stuff ..


The employer wants the best of both worlds in the situation you have described. Obviously wanting someone to work without full benefits for 6 months, but now trying to cover their backsides with manipulation and policy changes.



Well, that's your impression - but I don't buy it .. somebody is not being truthful here - but hey, that's the beauty of any forum - you can feed just about enough info to feel good about your actions :D right ?

Your friend is making the right move by leaving the company. Anyone who dishonours a contract or tries to invoke changes cannot be trusted; and it brings into question other ways they do business.


Yah right - :D This is interesting : Did you know that companies are to make money and not run for charity ? While the OP has painted the image that the boss is a jerk, would you or me or him/her know whether the guy is just managing and is answerable to his shareholders ??

I'd personally get your friend to report them as this sort of crap shouldn't be going on and employers who think they can re-write the rules should be brought down a peg or two.


Well, that sound like a great advice :D

I am not siding with the employer - after all, me too am an employee - but I got a nagging feeling that something is amiss here .. but - who cares ...


Given you have had your say, I'll have mine.

First point: based on the evidence that is provided here, that is how I came to the conclusion. I'm not psychic in that I can infer or predict what is the other side of the story without hearing it. Give me all the facts and I'll provide a more balanced view if applicable.

Second point: So you believe that most people would stick with a company who decide to change policy or contractual obligations when they feel like it and operate in a way that clearly contravenes what they have told theiremployees? Get real. It shows a complete lack of integrity and results in a loss of trust. So if your boss tells you that just before you were due to receive your quarterly bonus that the commission structure had changed, and actually you were only going to receive 10% instead of 15%, you'd roll over and take it like a dog?

Third point: Don't insult me by dictating how businesses are run to make a profit. I run an office and have P&L responsibility. I fail to see the link on how reneging on a contract is linked to making profit and running a business efficiently, even if it is your own business. Play hard, but play by the rules. And if the boss is not responsible and just a puppet on a string, and the shareholders were the ones instigating the move, then that is surely worse as it's a collective agreement from more senior level. Look at the long term rather than the short. Shaft your employees and word gets round in a place like SG, you lose potential business, no-one wants to work for you and more importantly you lose your credibility.

Fourth point: Stop trying to stir things up!! Or are you the boss the OP is talking about??!!

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Postby ecureilx » Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:26 pm

Dear Mr Billy,

With a million apologies ..

BillyB wrote:Fourth point: Stop trying to stir things up!! Or are you the boss the OP is talking about??!!


To cut it short, no, I don't know the OP and don't give two hoots about it - other than trying to give a different point of view .. seems it is not digestable - I am sorry and shall keep quite - other than to say that I still believe the OP is conjuring up something or is not being clear on the real story .. either way - if I was the boss - I wouldn't force anybody to work when I know they have - for a hundred and one reasons - decided that they will not work .. and would be happy to fire the person .. rather than let the rot fester itself and infect the rest until it becomes gangrenous ..

Over and out

Cheers ..

PS: about your comment "Shaft your employees and word gets round in a place like SG, you lose potential business, no-one wants to work for you and more importantly you lose your credibility." well, let me say - I am not sure how long you been here, but having lived and worked here for over a decade and half - that is a load of tosh - I have seen enough companies - while not shafting the employees - are forced to take tough measures to survive and as of now, such companies are never short of prospective employees - and even for those ones who are known to shaft the employees ? - that loosing credibility part and nobody wanting to work part - I JUST A BIG MYTH - when you have hungry mouths to feed - all else goes out of the window - and no sir - Am not one of those who condone such abuse .. but hey, life sucks, doesn't it ??? :D :D my point of view is as an employee - not as an employer and no sir, not sure if I will ever be one in the near future

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Postby pokey » Tue, 18 Jan 2011 1:15 pm

peace guys.. just wanted to hear out views ..

@ecureilx: i agree that this is just my side of story n probably, e whole incident dun sound real to you. but it is indeed the case. As to y the employer wants to resort to this, who knows what he is thinking. Otherwise, the employee would know how to handle it.

anyway, thanks for all your views!

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Postby ecureilx » Tue, 18 Jan 2011 1:36 pm

pokey wrote:peace guys.. just wanted to hear out views ..


I dunno about anybody, but I am yet to scream :D :D And very far from exploding :D

Cool - atleast you managed to get some idea I guess ...

just the reminder - try not to do something because the employer asked you to - a illegally backdated letter can be referred to CPIB by the same employer if his ass is on fire .. play safe .. that's my 2 cents ..


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