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Old job refuses to cancel EP

Postby Frostyfart » Mon, 10 Jan 2011 9:27 pm

Old job refuses to cancel Employment pass. What to do?

Work at job A. Find job B. Get new job offer from job B. Get In-Principle Approval (IPA) letter from MOM. Resign from job A. [notice period is served, key is turned in, last paycheck paid, and IRAS has processed tax clearance].

Job A [old job] refuses to cancel EP.

I have called Job A. Job A says waiting to hear what boss says. She's not my boss anymore. I'm no longer an employee.

Job B cannot submit new EP application until Job A cancels EP. Can I cancel the EP from old job?

Any help appreciated!

*new and old employers are in Singapore.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 10 Jan 2011 9:57 pm

Go directly to MOM with all the information including that fact that tax clearance has been done as well. If you are lucky, they might blackball the arse ex-employer.

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Re: Old job refuses to cancel EP

Postby ecureilx » Tue, 11 Jan 2011 2:57 pm

Frostyfart wrote:Old job refuses to cancel Employment pass. What to do?

Work at job A. Find job B. Get new job offer from job B. Get In-Principle Approval (IPA) letter from MOM. Resign from job A. [notice period is served, key is turned in, last paycheck paid, and IRAS has processed tax clearance].

Job A [old job] refuses to cancel EP.

I have called Job A. Job A says waiting to hear what boss says. She's not my boss anymore. I'm no longer an employee.

Job B cannot submit new EP application until Job A cancels EP. Can I cancel the EP from old job?

Any help appreciated!

*new and old employers are in Singapore.


Go to MOM, ask for a queue number to see officer, and explain to him, and he will tell you how to 'self cancel'

Of course, if your previous employer has due cause - then good luck ..

Did you complete your notice period ???

And if your new employer is paying a significantly higher pay - MOM will be happy to help you stay her .. ;)

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Cancel EP

Postby Frostyfart » Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:11 am

I think I made the mistake of going to MOM at Havelock and not Circular Rd. MOM issued a letter for the old employer.

The notice period was waived by the employer. MOM is looking into if I resigned, despite signed letter from former employer and tax clearance.

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Re: Cancel EP

Postby ecureilx » Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:34 am

Frostyfart wrote:I think I made the mistake of going to MOM at Havelock and not Circular Rd. MOM issued a letter for the old employer.

The notice period was waived by the employer. MOM is looking into if I resigned, despite signed letter from former employer and tax clearance.


say that again ???? is there an MOM at Circular Road ???? :confused:

As for the MOM looking at the resignation, letter, lately there have been some scams of 'fake' resignations backdated .. so - they do have the right to check .. to avoid runaway staff ..

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Re: Cancel EP

Postby Strong Eagle » Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:03 pm

ecureilx wrote:
Frostyfart wrote:I think I made the mistake of going to MOM at Havelock and not Circular Rd. MOM issued a letter for the old employer.

The notice period was waived by the employer. MOM is looking into if I resigned, despite signed letter from former employer and tax clearance.


say that again ???? is there an MOM at Circular Road ???? :confused:

As for the MOM looking at the resignation, letter, lately there have been some scams of 'fake' resignations backdated .. so - they do have the right to check .. to avoid runaway staff ..


Employment pass issuance moved to Circular Road.

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Re: Cancel EP

Postby ecureilx » Thu, 13 Jan 2011 2:48 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:Employment pass issuance moved to Circular Road.


Ah - I didn't know that .. :ok:

Thanks ..

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Ex employer refuses to cancel EP

Postby Frostyfart » Fri, 14 Jan 2011 9:21 am

When I met with an officer from MOM, I showed MOM that old job A filed for Tax Clearance to prove that I was no longer an employee. MOM did not seem to care. They didn't care about my status with IRAS at all.

Also, I thought Tax Clearance and Cancellation of EP were separate procedures. My ex-employer is holding the new EP up by insisting that I pay Tax Clearance before cancellation of the pass. They could have withheld taxes in my last check, but did not.

To clarify, I paid my Tax Clearance yesterday and presented old job with receipt from IRAS. By the way, old job A wanted me to pay them in cash to clear taxes. There is no way I would do that. I went to IRAS and paid at Sing Post next to IRAS.

Now that Tax Clearance is paid and my ex-employer accepted resignation, I am hoping that old job A will cancel my EP immediately.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 14 Jan 2011 9:52 am

AAAAhhhhhh! You led us astray by giving us incorrect information in your initial post. If you have not paid your taxes then the ex-employer has every right to hold your EP. When someone asks if your tax clearance has been done, that means you are cleared with IRAS - not just filed the IR-21. In fact, you had NOT been cleared by IRAS as you did not yet pay your tax due. The fact that the employer is supposed to pay your taxes and deduct it from your final salary is another matter. I'm not sure why your final salary was not withheld, but until you taxes were cleared then your complaint was unwarranted.

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Old job refuses to cancel EP

Postby Frostyfart » Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:59 am

Thanks! I didn't realize the distinction until yesterday.

How long can the ex-employer stall before cancelling my EP? Last day was Jan. 6. Paid taxes and notified ex-employer of payment on Jan. 13.

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Re: Old job refuses to cancel EP

Postby ecureilx » Fri, 14 Jan 2011 2:19 pm

Frostyfart wrote:Thanks! I didn't realize the distinction until yesterday.

How long can the ex-employer stall before cancelling my EP? Last day was Jan. 6. Paid taxes and notified ex-employer of payment on Jan. 13.


Employers have the right to hold it for a month, and then send in the cancellation - as - not uncommonly- employers may hold you until their next salary cycle

long time ago, I had a similar situation, when I was given early release, and the MOM wanted to see the resignation letter accepted by the employer: when I mentioned that the company's specific division has been wound down and technically I don't have any work - the reply was simple "we don't know - maybe your employer still needs you despite you saying otherwise .. come back with a copy of the resignation letter and endorsed by employer, or a termination letter (without prejudice) .. "

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Old job refuses to cancel EP

Postby Frostyfart » Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:50 am

As far as I know, I am still on old Job A's EP. I have an IPA in hand. Can I travel during this period?

EP for new job B not applied for yet because old job A has not cancelled pass.

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Postby ecureilx » Sun, 16 Jan 2011 1:30 am

Frostyfart wrote:As far as I know, I am still on old Job A's EP. I have an IPA in hand. Can I travel during this period?

EP for new job B not applied for yet because old job A has not cancelled pass.


Technically, upon getting your ep, you get the 1 year / 2 year visa ..

so until your old one is cancelled, you can travel, and to cancel, you need to get it done at the MOM with your passport in person - so YES !!!

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Re: Old job refuses to cancel EP

Postby Frostyfart » Mon, 17 Jan 2011 5:11 pm

ecureilx wrote:
Frostyfart wrote:Thanks! I didn't realize the distinction until yesterday.

How long can the ex-employer stall before cancelling my EP? Last day was Jan. 6. Paid taxes and notified ex-employer of payment on Jan. 13.


Employers have the right to hold it for a month, and then send in the cancellation - as - not uncommonly- employers may hold you until their next salary cycle

long time ago, I had a similar situation, when I was given early release, and the MOM wanted to see the resignation letter accepted by the employer: when I mentioned that the company's specific division has been wound down and technically I don't have any work - the reply was simple "we don't know - maybe your employer still needs you despite you saying otherwise .. come back with a copy of the resignation letter and endorsed by employer, or a termination letter (without prejudice) .. "


That seem unfair that an Employer has 30 days or an indefinite time period to cancel the pass. Especially when they released the employee with salary in lieu of notice. I also paid my tax clearance.

MOM is saying that it is unclear when my last day was -- day of resignation when ex-Employer offered salary in lieu of notice or end of month. Employer wants end of the month to cancel pass. Why? To be a douchebag.

Ex-employee wants now. MOM is going to talk to former employer to encourage immediate cancellation. But, MOM has no teeth and is not going to force cancellation.

This is ghetto.

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Postby ecureilx » Mon, 17 Jan 2011 5:21 pm

Frostyfart wrote:That seem unfair that an Employer has 30 days or an indefinite time period to cancel the pass. Especially when they released the employee with salary in lieu of notice. I also paid my tax clearance.


Well, you think you paid your dues, but does your employer accepts it ?? There are some silly employers who insist you serve your full term, regardless whether you are contributing or not - and you can't do nothing about it mate ..

MOM is saying that it is unclear when my last day was -- day of resignation when ex-Employer offered salary in lieu of notice or end of month. Employer wants end of the month to cancel pass. Why? To be a douchebag.


There you go - you are just venting your anger on an employer - for that matter, I can tell you - larger companies are even worse - I had this instance of a guy who resigned, on the 30th, when the salary cycle was 25th and the company held back his salary till two months later and paid back - no - they are not being douchebags - it is that the system is like that they can't break it - when you have 1000 employees ..

Ex-employee wants now. MOM is going to talk to former employer to encourage immediate cancellation. But, MOM has no teeth and is not going to force cancellation.

This is ghetto.


Yah, you are better of away from this Ghetto - life sucks mate - but did you know something ?? MOM is not just taking care of you .. they have thousands of employees who come up with innovative excuses ..

As I said - in my case, the MOM said "YOU SAY YOU HAVE NO WORK - BUT MAYBE YOUR EMPLOYER NEEDS YOU TO TRAIN YOUR REPLACEMENT ET AL" and even when I said the division was dissolved - it melted no hearts at MOM - PROCESS AND PROCEDURES ARE THERE FOR A REASON

While you are playing the victim and even going to the extent of calling your employer a douchebag - what gives that MOM wants to buy your story ?? :(

Sorry that may sound rude ... but, so is life. You follow the system in place, or pack up and disappear .. (don't be offended .. )

PS: Douchebag ??? Waaaah .. I am now getting second thoughts about why your employer is behaving so :D :D tlga


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