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Marrying a SG Citizen while under 21.

Postby Naampje » Sat, 25 Dec 2010 7:53 pm

I am not sure if have the right topic for this question,
if i am at the wrong place i am sorry in advance.

The story is this:
I self live in Holland, and my girlfriend is a singaporean.
The plan was for me to get a job and a work permit there.
Yet we got pregnant, and according to SG rules, i am not able to obtain a work permit anymore.

So for me to be able to move over to work and live there, is to get married and apply for PR status.

Now myself am only 20.
So for me to get married in SG will need my parents to come with me to SG to sign some approval of the marriage personally?
Yet my mother passed away few months back..
So the only one able to go along is my father.
But i assume they want to see the death certificate of my mother.

So my question is, does this certificate needs to be translated and legalised the long long dragging way, or is there some other way?

Is there maybe a way, to be able to get approval papers, trough the consulate in Holland?

Can anyone inform me of any ways possible, i have been strolling the internet for a week now yet i can not find any good clear information about this all.

if anyone can help me out that would be great.

Thanks in advance.


EDIT: After strolling around the forum some more i see alot of people have alot of trouble getting PR status...
What are the chances of me getting PR when married, and applied for PR right after? i don't have a Bachelors Degree. I am an Operations Technician, wich i would like to be working as in SG aswell..
I need to be there for my girl and unborn baby.. will they care about this or just reject just as easily?

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Re: Marrying a SG Citizen while under 21.

Postby Mad Scientist » Sun, 26 Dec 2010 1:05 am

Naampje wrote:I am not sure if have the right topic for this question,
if i am at the wrong place i am sorry in advance.

The story is this:
I self live in Holland, and my girlfriend is a singaporean.
The plan was for me to get a job and a work permit there.
Yet we got pregnant, and according to SG rules, i am not able to obtain a work permit anymore.

Where did you find these rules ?

So for me to be able to move over to work and live there, is to get married and apply for PR status.

Not that easy. Apply for LTSVP upon marriage then settled down. Only after that then try to apply PR

Now myself am only 20.
So for me to get married in SG will need my parents to come with me to SG to sign some approval of the marriage personally?
Yet my mother passed away few months back..
So the only one able to go along is my father.
But i assume they want to see the death certificate of my mother.

Again where did you find this rule ? Vetting meant for MOM Singapore OR Holland ?

So my question is, does this certificate needs to be translated and legalised the long long dragging way, or is there some other way?

You can get a PUBLIC NOTARY/LAWYER to get it notarised it in English or the embassy . Usually the latter will cost more but check both to compare price

Is there maybe a way, to be able to get approval papers, trough the consulate in Holland?

What papers and for what purpose ??? TO get approval to live in Singapore go to www.ica.gov.sg to get approval for work in SG go to www.mom.gov.sg


EDIT: After strolling around the forum some more i see alot of people have alot of trouble getting PR status...
What are the chances of me getting PR when married, and applied for PR right after? i don't have a Bachelors Degree. I am an Operations Technician, wich i would like to be working as in SG aswell..

VERY CHALLENGING


I need to be there for my girl and unborn baby.. will they care about this or just reject just as easily?


If it is a boy you stand a better chance to get LTSVP in SG
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Re: Marrying a SG Citizen while under 21.

Postby Naampje » Sun, 26 Dec 2010 3:36 pm

Mad Scientist wrote:
Naampje wrote:I am not sure if have the right topic for this question,
if i am at the wrong place i am sorry in advance.

The story is this:
I self live in Holland, and my girlfriend is a singaporean.
The plan was for me to get a job and a work permit there.
Yet we got pregnant, and according to SG rules, i am not able to obtain a work permit anymore.

Where did you find these rules ?

So have been told by MOM, on the phone.

So for me to be able to move over to work and live there, is to get married and apply for PR status.

Not that easy. Apply for LTSVP upon marriage then settled down. Only after that then try to apply PR


I am not able to get a job with LTSVP right? And so far i can find about LTSVP only one able to apply if having a EP?

Now myself am only 20.
So for me to get married in SG will need my parents to come with me to SG to sign some approval of the marriage personally?
Yet my mother passed away few months back..
So the only one able to go along is my father.
But i assume they want to see the death certificate of my mother.

Again where did you find this rule ? Vetting meant for MOM Singapore OR Holland ?

Because i am under age of 21, both my parents need to sign consent of marriage personally at ROM. Yet i lost my mother, so i assume they want prove of that no?

So my question is, does this certificate needs to be translated and legalised the long long dragging way, or is there some other way?

You can get a PUBLIC NOTARY/LAWYER to get it notarised it in English or the embassy . Usually the latter will cost more but check both to compare price


Is there maybe a way, to be able to get approval papers, trough the consulate in Holland?

What papers and for what purpose ??? TO get approval to live in Singapore go to www.ica.gov.sg to get approval for work in SG go to www.mom.gov.sg

I meant the paper my dad needs to sign personaly at ROM, the consent of marriage.


EDIT: After strolling around the forum some more i see alot of people have alot of trouble getting PR status...
What are the chances of me getting PR when married, and applied for PR right after? i don't have a Bachelors Degree. I am an Operations Technician, wich i would like to be working as in SG aswell..

VERY CHALLENGING

Any experience with this or known stories of similiar situations?


I need to be there for my girl and unborn baby.. will they care about this or just reject just as easily?


If it is a boy you stand a better chance to get LTSVP in SG

What kind of rule is that? We haven't been pregnant long enough yet to know gender. And its not something we can choose ofcourse..


Thanks for the quick response, i am going to check about LTSVP some more.
I hope i explained my questions a bit clearer and that you maybe can give me some more information regarding that.

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Re: Marrying a SG Citizen while under 21.

Postby Mad Scientist » Sun, 26 Dec 2010 3:44 pm

Naampje wrote:So have been told by MOM, on the phone.

Yeah but that rule I am not aware hence I am not able to shed more light to this. Unless you can have it writing from them, then I can advise further

I am not able to get a job with LTSVP right?

Yes, you are right. Unless you apply yourself under EP

Because i am under age of 21, both my parents need to sign consent of marriage personally at ROM. Yet i lost my mother, so i assume they want prove of that no?

No need. Marriage age is 18 in Singapore legally


I meant the paper my dad needs to sign personaly at ROM, the consent of marriage.

No need to my knowledge

Any experience with this or known stories of similiar situations?

Lots of it Go to the search button on the right hand corner type PR rejection


What kind of rule is that? We haven't been pregnant long enough yet to know gender. And its not something we can choose of course..

Your unborn son will do NS like in Holland. National Service or Army Draft at 18. Enlistment Act Chap 93
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Re: Marrying a SG Citizen while under 21.

Postby Naampje » Sun, 26 Dec 2010 3:59 pm

Mad Scientist wrote:
Naampje wrote:So have been told by MOM, on the phone.

Yeah but that rule I am not aware hence I am not able to shed more light to this. Unless you can have it writing from them, then I can advise further
So far they could only tell this on the phone, i haven't found anything written about this yet. Only thing i found is that Work permit holders found to be pregnant are send home.

I am not able to get a job with LTSVP right?

Yes, you are right. Unless you apply yourself under EP

If the rule of not able to be employed if girlfriend is pregnant is real, then i can not apply under EP

Because i am under age of 21, both my parents need to sign consent of marriage personally at ROM. Yet i lost my mother, so i assume they want prove of that no?

No need. Marriage age is 18 in Singapore legally

From ROM Website:
Requirements for filing a Notice of Marriage (above 18 and below 21 years):

NRIC (Identity Card) / Passport

Birth Certificate

Both parents' / Legal guardians' presence and their NRIC (Identity Card) / Passports, OR Court Order to dispense with parents' or legal guardian's consent

Two witnesses above 21 years of age and their NRICs (Identity Cards) / Passports



I meant the paper my dad needs to sign personaly at ROM, the consent of marriage.

No need to my knowledge

Any experience with this or known stories of similiar situations?

Lots of it Go to the search button on the right hand corner type PR rejection


What kind of rule is that? We haven't been pregnant long enough yet to know gender. And its not something we can choose of course..

Your unborn son will do NS like in Holland. National Service or Army Draft at 18. Enlistment Act Chap 93

This law has been no longer active in Holland for quite some time now, Serving the army is on free bases here.

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Re: Marrying a SG Citizen while under 21.

Postby Mad Scientist » Sun, 26 Dec 2010 5:16 pm

[quote="Naampje"
So far they could only tell this on the phone, i haven't found anything written about this yet. Only thing i found is that Work permit holders found to be pregnant are send home.

I will try to find something to that effect. Not sure about this

If the rule of not able to be employed if girlfriend is pregnant is real, then i can not apply under EP

You have to be married in order to apply for LTSVP. For EP and your gf is not Singaporean, you can apply under DP under co-habitation. In you case is not under EP/DP scenario.Apply EP on your own .
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Marriage age is 18 in Singapore legally and yes the law has changed you need to get consent as you are marrying a minor. Death cert for your mom will suffice
http://www.rom.gov.sg/rom/reg_info/pdf/ ... _Minor.pdf


Yes, Dad need to sign at ROM

OK, I am not aware of the law change in Holland. Your unborn child if it is a son will become cannon fodder when turn 18 and your application for LTSVP will stand in good stead with ICA. Upon LTSVP then apply PR . Only then you can find a job. Your future wife in the meantime must be able to support you to apply for LTSVP with a min. income of S$2.5K per month
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Re: Marrying a SG Citizen while under 21.

Postby Naampje » Sun, 26 Dec 2010 6:45 pm

Mad Scientist wrote:[quote="Naampje"
So far they could only tell this on the phone, i haven't found anything written about this yet. Only thing i found is that Work permit holders found to be pregnant are send home.

I will try to find something to that effect. Not sure about this

So far i could only find info about females under a work permit, getting pregnant to be send home. Maybe its different with a male.

If the rule of not able to be employed if girlfriend is pregnant is real, then i can not apply under EP

You have to be married in order to apply for LTSVP. For EP and your gf is not Singaporean, you can apply under DP under co-habitation. In you case is not under EP/DP scenario.Apply EP on your own .

I am not able to get EP as i don't have a Bachelors Degree i think...

Marriage age is 18 in Singapore legally and yes the law has changed you need to get consent as you are marrying a minor. Death cert for your mom will suffice
http://www.rom.gov.sg/rom/reg_info/pdf/ ... _Minor.pdf


And i assume the birth certificate and death cert both need to be translated and legalised. Or will a the origonal Dutch certs do?

Yes, Dad need to sign at ROM

OK, I am not aware of the law change in Holland. Your unborn child if it is a son will become cannon fodder when turn 18 and your application for LTSVP will stand in good stead with ICA. Upon LTSVP then apply PR . Only then you can find a job. Your future wife in the meantime must be able to support you to apply for LTSVP with a min. income of S$2.5K per month

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Postby Mad Scientist » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 1:15 am

Naampje wrote:So far i could only find info about females under a work permit, getting pregnant to be send home. Maybe its different with a male.

I am not able to get EP as i don't have a Bachelors Degree i think...

And i assume the birth certificate and death cert both need to be translated and legalised. Or will a the origonal Dutch certs do?



Ok , let me explain. All Sger below 21 is considered as a minor. I.e they cannot renounce, get married or even vote when they are under 21.
Work Permit holder i.e WP while working in Singapore cannot get married to a Sger while working here OR even after they have relinquish their WP years after that. This route does not apply to you fo now.
They have to attain permission to get married from MOM. Only then they can register their ROM in Singapore to legalise it. Once that is done, you can apply LTSVP(Long Term Social Visit Pass) from ICA .
MOM may approve your marriage but that does not necessarily means that ICA will grant you LTSVP. They are separate bodies with different function. MOM on working here and ICA on immigration matters
Usually you will get 30 or 90 days bog visa to you get your ROM sorted. Only then you can apply LTSVP. If this fails then you have to leave the country for 5 days turn around OR return back to your home country. This depend on your Passport and visa condition issued.
Your future wife can apply to sponsor you since she is carrying your child. ICA may or may not allow you to stay. This LTSVP can be done on line by E-VP or go personally to ICA , Kallang Road, Singapore. I would advise you come in person for this matter. Your wife needs to show proof she can support you in Singapore with an income of $2.5k min . If you have saving or overseas earning to proof to that effect. You cannot work while you are under LTSVP. Once granted apply PR. It may take one to two years to get under spouse sponsor PR application but no one knows how long it will take to get approve. That is the reason if your future wife carries a boy, your chances are much brighter for PR
Now other matter, you do not need a degree to apply work here if you can get paid for min, $7K per month under P1 category or apply under EPEC or LPR thru SMC.
All have their pros and cons. Currently EP passes are hard to get except for P1 reason being if your employer can pay you min $7K then the employer recognised your value and the degree is not a requirement anymore.
For the death cert and marriage cert , yes you need to get it translated at the embassy or Public Notary

Are you crystal clear now ?
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Postby x9200 » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 8:30 am

Naampje, translating or not any certificates will be your least of the problems. MS gave you a lot of info but perhaps to make it more simple below is a summery of you options to get a job in SG (as for a non diploma holder).

1. get married, apply for LTSVP - if she earns more than 2.5k (yet still you have no guaranty this will be granted) and later, after some time of living in SG apply for PR - not sure if you will get it. Here, you will be likely for years supported by your spouse and if she is not particularly well off or well paid you will be rather a burden than help.

2. on your own merits - EP only, P1 pass only = somebody has to offer you a job and pay you at lest 7k a month.

IMHO you have much better chances of living together normally when you get married in NL, get a stay permit for her, you get first a diploma (BSc, BEng) and maybe then apply for a scholarship with NTU, NUS, AStar etc - this would be the shortest route.
Alternatively after obtaining the degree live together for few good long years in NL (get documented professional experience) and apply directly for PR.
At this point of time you simply have nothing to offer and the only card you may have (if "lucky") could be a male child.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 9:28 am

x9200 wrote:At this point of time you simply have nothing to offer and the only card you may have (if "lucky") could be a male child.


And, as pointed out, 'if "lucky", as, even that isn't guaranteed.

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Postby k1w1 » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 3:17 pm

I agree with the above posters - why don't you just get married in Holland? Surely it will be easier for you to get a job there and support your family? I cannot see why you are screeching off to Singapore now that you got your girlfriend pregnant. Surely it is better to move when you are able to do so?

Just to add to that, have you thought about how you'd pay for an OB-GYN and delivery in Singapore? You will not be able to get insurance now as your partner is already pregnant. The usual costs run up to about 8k, but (heaven forbid) if there are any complications, the costs could absolutely cripple you. Doesn't Holland have state health care that your child would be covered by, at least? Will your child be a Singapore citizen - what would that mean for your parental rights if you are on a visitor's permit? What if your PR is rejected and you can't stay?

(BTW, you have the wrong info about work permits. Work permits are generally for lower skilled workers or maids. Maids who are pregnant are sent home. An employment pass is for people working in a professional job. Those on an Employment Pass - or their dependents, like a non-working spouse - are allowed to deliver in Singapore. I do know a couple of people who have gotten an EP without a degree, but they have 20+ years of experience in their field and even then, it was difficult for their companies to get it.)


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