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Postby Strong Eagle » Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:26 am

The US government is laying a heavy hand on Wikileaks and Julian Assange.

With no charges, no due process whatsoever, the US government has pressured Amazon to drop service, Paypal to drop payments, and apparently is squeezing Visa/Mastercard to not allow online donations.

What the hell is this? Heavy handed tyranny is what it is. Squeeze and kill with no due process whatsoever.

You can make a donation at:

http://213.251.145.96/support.html

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 08 Dec 2010 6:48 am

I though you approved of what "Oh What A Big-Arsed Mistake America" was doing. Didn't you think he was the 2nd coming a couple short years ago? :wink: :-|

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Postby Strong Eagle » Wed, 08 Dec 2010 6:58 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:I though you approved of what "Oh What A Big-Arsed Mistake America" was doing. Didn't you think he was the 2nd coming a couple short years ago? :wink: :-|


??? I believe that Wikileaks has the right of due process, just like any other person or corporation. Instead, we have a clear case of blatant attempts to shut it down with no due process whatsoever.

The case should be tried on its merits and not suppressed by paranoid government bureaucrats.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Wed, 08 Dec 2010 7:21 am

Hear , hear...

I drink to that SE. Long Live Freedom of Speech!!!
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Postby nakatago » Wed, 08 Dec 2010 7:37 am

Normally, I'd support what wikileaks does but I think Julian let all that power go to his head and is now just being a dick. He's entitled to his freedom of speech and due process but I still think he's still being a jerk. You can look it up; some of his supporters and staff left because they couldn't stand him anymore.

EDIT: found it: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/wikileaks-revolt/

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Postby Calmday » Wed, 08 Dec 2010 9:11 am

Mad Scientist wrote:Hear , hear...

I drink to that SE. Long Live Freedom of Speech!!!
Pointing out a nations weaknesses to their enemies is not freedom of speech. Disclosing the names of informants in Iran, Afghanistan etc so that they can be murdered is NOT freedom of speech. This moron is going to burn the entire planet.

When someone declared war on you they effectively wave there right to due process.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:06 pm

Funny how people laud this country for it's ISA and curtailing of freedoms at the express wish of the PM or President because it has been proven "good" for Singapore and keeps everything running well.

But let it happen in our home countries and watch out! Like anything else, there is a limit. I'm the first to cry freedom of speech, BUT, when it is deliberately used to cause maximum mayhem, and possibly war and murder/casualties? I'm afraid I might have to give way a little bit. I don't particularly like preventative detention but......

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Postby Strong Eagle » Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:08 pm

Calmday wrote:
Mad Scientist wrote:Hear , hear...

I drink to that SE. Long Live Freedom of Speech!!!
Pointing out a nations weaknesses to their enemies is not freedom of speech. Disclosing the names of informants in Iran, Afghanistan etc so that they can be murdered is NOT freedom of speech. This moron is going to burn the entire planet.

When someone declared war on you they effectively wave there right to due process.


Your assertions have been tossed about by many as the reason to trample over the rights of Wikileaks but I've not seen anything where these allegations have actually come to pass. Can you name a murdered Afghan informant?

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Postby Calmday » Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:32 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:
Calmday wrote:
Mad Scientist wrote:Hear , hear...

I drink to that SE. Long Live Freedom of Speech!!!
Pointing out a nations weaknesses to their enemies is not freedom of speech. Disclosing the names of informants in Iran, Afghanistan etc so that they can be murdered is NOT freedom of speech. This moron is going to burn the entire planet.

When someone declared war on you they effectively wave there right to due process.


Your assertions have been tossed about by many as the reason to trample over the rights of Wikileaks but I've not seen anything where these allegations have actually come to pass. Can you name a murdered Afghan informant?

I can tell you for a fact that a list was published by wikileaks that detailed the US's most sensitive locations. It included everything from the exact locations of underwater fiber-optic cables to food processers. That is nothing more than a blatant attack and a serious one at that. Some of you guys can carry on all you want about “free speech”

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Re: Support Wikileaks

Postby Calmday » Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:38 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:The US government is laying a heavy hand on Wikileaks and Julian Assange.

With no charges, no due process whatsoever, the US government has pressured Amazon to drop service, Paypal to drop payments, and apparently is squeezing Visa/Mastercard to not allow online donations.

What the hell is this? Heavy handed tyranny is what it is. Squeeze and kill with no due process whatsoever.

You can make a donation at:

http://213.251.145.96/support.html


It’s called self defense. It’s something that nations do when attacked.

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Postby Calmday » Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:43 pm

And since when does an Australian bourn guy who doesn’t have a home because no one will accept him, have the RIGHT to "due process" in the USA?

And what the heck does "due process" have to do with getting companies to stop doing business with an individual who is a enemy?
Answer: NOTHING
Go look that list is very very long.

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Postby Strong Eagle » Wed, 08 Dec 2010 1:44 pm

Calmday wrote:And since when does an Australian bourn guy who doesn’t have a home because no one will accept him, have the RIGHT to "due process" in the USA?

And what the heck does "due process" have to do with getting companies to stop doing business with an individual who is a enemy?
Answer: NOTHING
Go look that list is very very long.


Your perception that he is the 'enemy', a perception not shared by many, including myself.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 08 Dec 2010 2:00 pm

en·e·my
   /ˈɛnəmi/ Show Spelled [en-uh-mee] Show IPA noun, plural -mies, adjective
–noun
1. a person who feels hatred for, fosters harmful designs against, or engages in antagonistic activities against another; an adversary or opponent.
2. an armed foe; an opposing military force: The army attacked the enemy at dawn.
3. a hostile nation or state.
4. a citizen of such a state.
5. enemies, persons, nations, etc., that are hostile to one another: Let's make up and stop being enemies.
6. something harmful or prejudical: His unbridled ambition is his worst enemy.
7. the Enemy, the Devil; Satan.


Sure sounds like he could/does meet those requirements to me. I wonder, if Canada or Mexico were to set off an above ground nuclear test just across the border from Rochester or El Paso. Would we call them an enemy or not if it were know that the prevailing winds were almost sure to bring the fallout over the US of A?

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Postby JayCee » Wed, 08 Dec 2010 2:16 pm

A hell of a lot of people seem to be sticking up for this guy and using the 'freedom of speech' angle. Makes you wonder though, how many would be calling him a 'freedom fighter' and how many would be calling him a 'terrorist' if he was an Arab with a long beard as opposed to a slightly effeminate looking white guy (that's not aimed at anyone here btw, but it certainly applies to some other forums I've read)

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Postby Strong Eagle » Wed, 08 Dec 2010 3:43 pm

JayCee wrote:A hell of a lot of people seem to be sticking up for this guy and using the 'freedom of speech' angle. Makes you wonder though, how many would be calling him a 'freedom fighter' and how many would be calling him a 'terrorist' if he was an Arab with a long beard as opposed to a slightly effeminate looking white guy (that's not aimed at anyone here btw, but it certainly applies to some other forums I've read)


You make a good point. Members of the US Congress (Republicans) have called him a terrorist. Yet to my knowledge he hasn't flown an airliner into anything, nor blown up a car bomb. Is someone changing the definition of terrorist to include the release of 'secret' documents? If so, I'll take that kind of Arab 'terrorist' any day of the week.


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