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Married SPass holder with PR application Rejected

Postby rotiprata » Sun, 05 Dec 2010 3:31 pm

i am an spass holder who just got my pr application rejected. i am a thai lady and works as an IT exec with an income of about 2k.i have been in singapore for about 2 years and have been married to a singaporean for about 1 year. We submitted the application 4 months after we got married and just got the rejection letter. any idea what could be the reason? our combined income is about 8k.

since i'm still an s-pass holder, are we not allowed to have kids?

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Re: Married SPass holder with PR application Rejected

Postby Mad Scientist » Sun, 05 Dec 2010 4:47 pm

rotiprata wrote:i am an spass holder who just got my pr application rejected. i am a thai lady and works as an IT exec with an income of about 2k.i have been in singapore for about 2 years and have been married to a singaporean for about 1 year. We submitted the application 4 months after we got married and just got the rejection letter. any idea what could be the reason? our combined income is about 8k.

A bit early on the PR application one would feel. Give more time for yourself like another a year or so then reapply. Chances are your application rejected without any reason stated which means gahmen wants to see if you are stayer or quitter. Does not matter on the combined income unless your pass changes from S pass to P1 which makes your application looks more presentable.

since i'm still an s-pass holder, are we not allowed to have kids?

Who said you cannot have kids.? Male child will be the best for gahmen cannon fodder. Go ahead have lots of it and your PR application approval will be faster that Speedy Gonzales !!!
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Re: Married SPass holder with PR application Rejected

Postby rotiprata » Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:25 pm

thank you for your reply. yes, you are right about about the rejection having no reason. it also does not say when i should reapply. it is good to know that this does not hinder our family planning matters. :)

just that we cannot buy hdb flat :(

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rotiprata wrote:i am an spass holder who just got my pr application rejected. i am a thai lady and works as an IT exec with an income of about 2k.i have been in singapore for about 2 years and have been married to a singaporean for about 1 year. We submitted the application 4 months after we got married and just got the rejection letter. any idea what could be the reason? our combined income is about 8k.

A bit early on the PR application one would feel. Give more time for yourself like another a year or so then reapply. Chances are your application rejected without any reason stated which means gahmen wants to see if you are stayer or quitter. Does not matter on the combined income unless your pass changes from S pass to P1 which makes your application looks more presentable.

since i'm still an s-pass holder, are we not allowed to have kids?

Who said you cannot have kids.? Male child will be the best for gahmen cannon fodder. Go ahead have lots of it and your PR application approval will be faster that Speedy Gonzales !!!

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Postby revhappy » Thu, 23 Dec 2010 3:05 pm

RotiPrata, Did you apply on the basis of your own qualification & job profile(PTS scheme?) or as a spouse of a Singaporean. If it is the latter why would having an S Pass be a barrier? Come On! Atleast you have an S Pass and bringing in income. Most spouses are housewifes and they used to get PR. And you have stayed here for 2 years. I guess you need to win a noble prize to get a PR now :???:

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Postby ksl » Thu, 23 Dec 2010 7:52 pm

revhappy wrote:RotiPrata, Did you apply on the basis of your own qualification & job profile(PTS scheme?) or as a spouse of a Singaporean. If it is the latter why would having an S Pass be a barrier? Come On! At Least you have an S Pass and bringing in income. Most spouses are housewives and they used to get PR. And you have stayed here for 2 years. I guess you need to win a noble prize to get a PR now :???:
Bureaucracy is bureaucracy no matter what and it does state S pass holders that do not earn 2500$ are not allowed dependents, so what i would do is to ensure that you are safe and double check and get it in writing that you can produce children even though you have not been on the LTSVP before getting the S pass allocation.. If you are genuinely excepted on the merits of your marriage then children will be allowed. Though if they are monitoring you as a married partner but still on S pass first then dependants are not allowed until (your)earnings are $2500

Be careful, make sure you and your husband have it writing that your child can stay in Singapore, has it could become very messy, on bureaucratic immigration laws if they are just monitoring you. The rules are so tight now on talent recruitment, that's all i'm saying, so many low income earners are not being treated fairly as part of the talent pool even though they are married to Singapore citizens.

I would suspect family background checks are done on both families before allowing PR residence for spouses and children, and i suspect that if no background checks produce any evidence of academic study, it wouldn't look too positive for the Singapore population.

Do not take it for granted just because you are married you can stay here, it doesn't work like that. Even if Singapore is short on children, they have the ability to pick and choose who they let stay, so get everything in writing especially the birth of your child if you are planning a family, you need to secure the family.

There is evidence on the forum of Citizens PR's and their spouse having difficulties getting approved, and their child has been sent back to Malaysia...Though the case maybe quite different has the child is from a previous marriage. I don't like the word (Profiling) but I'm pretty sure that it's in Singapore's interest.

If however you have been on LTVSP first then found a position of employment S pass, you will be treated has a spouse and the rule of earning $2500 doesn't apply so you have no problem having children

Not to be offencive to anyone, though were I was born and raised in the UK, there is a total of 450 houses on the housing estate all working class I doubt their are any degree holders at all, it has a very bad reputation for crime and violence, though there are many good families that get branded with the same stigma because of financial poverty and social housing they are forced to accept the houses...Though background checks on these families show there is no evidence of academic achievement, and not much of a future of new born children escaping the long generation of poverty and criminality, it is a working class social system and if you are not strong and motivated to escape, you stay put.

Imagine if it was my own little Singapore and i needed to build on the gene pool, would I really take applications from this housing estate, when I have choice! Just because males are produced doesn't fulfil the criteria from a poorer working background, though males produced from poorer backgrounds that show evidence of achievements within parents and grandparents backgrounds shows a motivation to do better... That's all I'm trying to explain and immigration have that call of saying yes we accept or no we do not want if the rules have been tightened up.

Think about it, the cry from locals is not about the high qualified, it's a cry about the majority of foreigners from middle and lower employment...just my 2 cents on awareness

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Postby rotiprata » Sun, 26 Dec 2010 12:30 pm

hi revhappy, i applied as a spouse. we're not to sure why at first, but the posts here are making sense and we're coming to terms with it and re-applying at a later date.

revhappy wrote:RotiPrata, Did you apply on the basis of your own qualification & job profile(PTS scheme?) or as a spouse of a Singaporean. If it is the latter why would having an S Pass be a barrier? Come On! Atleast you have an S Pass and bringing in income. Most spouses are housewifes and they used to get PR. And you have stayed here for 2 years. I guess you need to win a noble prize to get a PR now :???:

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Postby rotiprata » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 6:50 pm

Thanks for the advice. but i'm wondering where do we go to check this? ICA or MOM?

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revhappy wrote:RotiPrata, Did you apply on the basis of your own qualification & job profile(PTS scheme?) or as a spouse of a Singaporean. If it is the latter why would having an S Pass be a barrier? Come On! At Least you have an S Pass and bringing in income. Most spouses are housewives and they used to get PR. And you have stayed here for 2 years. I guess you need to win a noble prize to get a PR now :???:
Bureaucracy is bureaucracy no matter what and it does state S pass holders that do not earn 2500$ are not allowed dependents, so what i would do is to ensure that you are safe and double check and get it in writing that you can produce children even though you have not been on the LTSVP before getting the S pass allocation.. If you are genuinely excepted on the merits of your marriage then children will be allowed. Though if they are monitoring you as a married partner but still on S pass first then dependants are not allowed until (your)earnings are $2500

Be careful, make sure you and your husband have it writing that your child can stay in Singapore, has it could become very messy, on bureaucratic immigration laws if they are just monitoring you. The rules are so tight now on talent recruitment, that's all i'm saying, so many low income earners are not being treated fairly as part of the talent pool even though they are married to Singapore citizens.

I would suspect family background checks are done on both families before allowing PR residence for spouses and children, and i suspect that if no background checks produce any evidence of academic study, it wouldn't look too positive for the Singapore population.

Do not take it for granted just because you are married you can stay here, it doesn't work like that. Even if Singapore is short on children, they have the ability to pick and choose who they let stay, so get everything in writing especially the birth of your child if you are planning a family, you need to secure the family.

There is evidence on the forum of Citizens PR's and their spouse having difficulties getting approved, and their child has been sent back to Malaysia...Though the case maybe quite different has the child is from a previous marriage. I don't like the word (Profiling) but I'm pretty sure that it's in Singapore's interest.

If however you have been on LTVSP first then found a position of employment S pass, you will be treated has a spouse and the rule of earning $2500 doesn't apply so you have no problem having children

Not to be offencive to anyone, though were I was born and raised in the UK, there is a total of 450 houses on the housing estate all working class I doubt their are any degree holders at all, it has a very bad reputation for crime and violence, though there are many good families that get branded with the same stigma because of financial poverty and social housing they are forced to accept the houses...Though background checks on these families show there is no evidence of academic achievement, and not much of a future of new born children escaping the long generation of poverty and criminality, it is a working class social system and if you are not strong and motivated to escape, you stay put.

Imagine if it was my own little Singapore and i needed to build on the gene pool, would I really take applications from this housing estate, when I have choice! Just because males are produced doesn't fulfil the criteria from a poorer working background, though males produced from poorer backgrounds that show evidence of achievements within parents and grandparents backgrounds shows a motivation to do better... That's all I'm trying to explain and immigration have that call of saying yes we accept or no we do not want if the rules have been tightened up.

Think about it, the cry from locals is not about the high qualified, it's a cry about the majority of foreigners from middle and lower employment...just my 2 cents on awareness

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Re: Married SPass holder with PR application Rejected

Postby rotiprata » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 6:55 pm

Thanks for your reply. I understand the system a little bit better now. i will reapply after a year. about kids, i'm not sure what to do if I get pregnant. as suggested, i better check. any idea where i should go to check this. do i need a lawyer?

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rotiprata wrote:i am an spass holder who just got my pr application rejected. i am a thai lady and works as an IT exec with an income of about 2k.i have been in singapore for about 2 years and have been married to a singaporean for about 1 year. We submitted the application 4 months after we got married and just got the rejection letter. any idea what could be the reason? our combined income is about 8k.

A bit early on the PR application one would feel. Give more time for yourself like another a year or so then reapply. Chances are your application rejected without any reason stated which means gahmen wants to see if you are stayer or quitter. Does not matter on the combined income unless your pass changes from S pass to P1 which makes your application looks more presentable.

since i'm still an s-pass holder, are we not allowed to have kids?

Who said you cannot have kids.? Male child will be the best for gahmen cannon fodder. Go ahead have lots of it and your PR application approval will be faster that Speedy Gonzales !!!

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Postby ksl » Mon, 27 Dec 2010 7:31 pm

Lawyer is not needed.

Your S pass is issued by MOM, so I would suggest you make an appointment with an officer and discuss the complications....If MOM says yes you can have children, while on the S pass and you are earning less than $2500, ask how this is going to effect the child's residential status, as you have never been on LTVSP with your husband, before finding employment.

It is a tricky situation and as the Child may have to apply through ICA for the LTVSP and they can see, you have always been on S pass and not earning sufficient to have dependants.....

There is a catch 22 and only ICA can approve it, even if MOM say you can have children, you need to ensure the child can remain in Singapore with ICA on LTVSP. This maybe really difficult if you have never had LTVSP, though if ICA say you can apply for LTVSP, it is still no guarantee they will approve it.

The biggest problem with family immigration is that visa status must be applied for all family members at one time, and your husabnd cannot apply for LTVSP while you are employed on S pass.

Complicated so discuss with MOM first then ICA, to see what they say!

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Postby Mad Scientist » Tue, 28 Dec 2010 7:22 am

ksl wrote:Complicated so discuss with MOM first then ICA, to see what they say!


Actually the easier route will be using your hubby as PR status. Go to ICA Citizen Advise Bureau then MOM. Get a clearer picture from ICA and MOM .
MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS IN WRITING.
Since hubby a PR and your a spouse of PR , your queue in line will be shorter. PR do have certain privileges. Use it !!

Going to MOM only if you have no one to hold on to like a PR or local
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Postby rotiprata » Tue, 28 Dec 2010 8:58 pm

actually my hubby is a singapore citizen. but my pr was still rejected.

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ksl wrote:Complicated so discuss with MOM first then ICA, to see what they say!


Actually the easier route will be using your hubby as PR status. Go to ICA Citizen Advise Bureau then MOM. Get a clearer picture from ICA and MOM .
MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS IN WRITING.
Since hubby a PR and your a spouse of PR , your queue in line will be shorter. PR do have certain privileges. Use it !!

Going to MOM only if you have no one to hold on to like a PR or local

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Postby rotiprata » Tue, 28 Dec 2010 9:15 pm

I just spoke to MOM and ICA today.
MOM's stand is that we can have children even if I earn less that 2500. The eligibility criteria is that those S-Pass holders earning less than 2500 will not be allowed to bring in any dependents to Singapore.

Giving birth to a child in Singapore is allowed regardless of salary. As for the child's residency status, I was requested to check with ICA.

ICA's stand is that as long as 1 parent is Singapore citizen, the child will be a Singaporean.

I asked for this to be in writing and they told me its stated on their website. They told me they do not produce these documents individually.

Does this sound right?



ksl wrote:Lawyer is not needed.

Your S pass is issued by MOM, so I would suggest you make an appointment with an officer and discuss the complications....If MOM says yes you can have children, while on the S pass and you are earning less than $2500, ask how this is going to effect the child's residential status, as you have never been on LTVSP with your husband, before finding employment.

It is a tricky situation and as the Child may have to apply through ICA for the LTVSP and they can see, you have always been on S pass and not earning sufficient to have dependants.....

There is a catch 22 and only ICA can approve it, even if MOM say you can have children, you need to ensure the child can remain in Singapore with ICA on LTVSP. This maybe really difficult if you have never had LTVSP, though if ICA say you can apply for LTVSP, it is still no guarantee they will approve it.

The biggest problem with family immigration is that visa status must be applied for all family members at one time, and your husabnd cannot apply for LTVSP while you are employed on S pass.

Complicated so discuss with MOM first then ICA, to see what they say!

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 28 Dec 2010 9:19 pm

rotiprata,

Did you get married here in Singapore? At the Registry of Marriages (ROM)?

Do you remember signing a piece of paper that said something like "marrying a Singaporean Citizen at the Registry of Marriages will NOT automatically confer the ability or right to receive Permanent Residence either now or in the future"? All foreigners marrying Citizens here are required to sign that paper BEFORE that are allowed to marry here in Singapore.

You may have a rough time of it. (it took me almost 5 years of applying and appealing before I got mine some 16+ years ago).

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Postby ksl » Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:36 pm

ICA's stand is that as long as 1 parent is Singapore citizen, the child will be a Singaporean.

Then go ahead and have children, that is your main worry at this time as the child can remain as a Citizen, though be prepared to apply for your LTVSP if you give up your job through pregnancy.

Your next worry will come when you lose your employment, and apply for LTVSP, as SMS mentions above, that marriage doesn't give free entry to the Country, it is the same in most Countries, and procedures and policies must be followed.

Though your biggest worry for your decision to have children is over, Good luck for the future. PR can be a long drawn out procedure like SMS says, though has long as you remain married you should be fine on LTVSP if you lose your job. Though keep applying for PR until you get it.


The catch 22 is the fact you had permission to marry from MOM, though you have never been, on the LTVSP pass, only on S pass.....

In ICA eyes you has not been legally sponsored into the Country by your husband as his wife, as you are on S pass.

Until your husband applies for the permission to sponsor your residence in Singapore, you are left hanging in no mans land.

It could all backfire like SMS is trying to explain. as you are not allowed dependants under $2500 a month, so even though the child would remain here, there is a chance you would be returned to your Country without your child. Please ensure you are safe before doing anything.

As ICA will only tell you that the child is a Singapore citizen, you are not after you give birth, submit a new application for LTVSP and wait approval.
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 29 Dec 2010 6:53 am

It could also mean a scenario like my nephew is in. Married to a Filippa with a 3 year old Singaporean girl but the mother is stuck in the 'peens and I'm stuck with raising the kid! Tread carefully as it's a minefield if you make a misstep with MOM or ICA.


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