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Postby ecureilx » Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:03 am

QRM wrote:The employer gets a 5000 dollar fine and I believe it does say possible jail sentence, I assume the jail bit kinda applies if you the employer is guilty party? We got fined with our first helper she became pregnant with her ex-employers husband!


And more often, the maids have known to accuse the current employer, in order to protect their true love :D :D

And not everything gets published in the newspapers ..

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Postby longhorn0915 » Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:52 am

So if you agree to 4 days off a month, and the maid goes out one evening and gets knocked-up we are responsible for her pre-natal care?! Not to sound ugly, but what happens after that? Do we pay for room and board for her children? I must be misinterpreting something here!

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Postby ecureilx » Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:58 am

longhorn0915 wrote:So if you agree to 4 days off a month, and the maid goes out one evening and gets knocked-up we are responsible for her pre-natal care?! Not to sound ugly, but what happens after that? Do we pay for room and board for her children? I must be misinterpreting something here!


Yes, you are are right ..

Now before you call Singapore Govt as slave drivers, the rules were in place due to the antics of the semi-literate girls, who end up as maids .. or so I believe ..

So, either you tell the maid what she do and she don't and trust her enough to give her own freedom, or be ready to face the consequence

Cruel it may seem, but .. do you expect the state to step in and take over the natal care ??

Ah, also, that is the reason for the compulsory medical / pregnancy test for maids ..

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:09 pm

It would seem reasonable to me that if a maid gets pregnant then the costs thereof are the maids responsibility.

Why charge the employer? (beyond it being convenient?)

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Postby longhorn0915 » Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:10 pm

So what do you do if you do if you are not happy with the maid you hired. Are you allowed to let them go with no consequences? It seems from what I have read that you have to try and get them placed somewhere.

Thanks for the info by the way... I have learned more from this post than all of the others I have read :shock:

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:33 pm

You send them back to the agency you got her from and request another or you pay her repatriation back to her country. (and you or the agent better take her to the airport and ensure that she goes through immigration - otherwise, she might just turn around and come back into Singapore and become an over-stayer and you could then get into trouble for that as well). If you want to try to find her a transfer you are doing yourself an injustice, as, if you weren't happy with her, why would you wish unhappiness on another family?

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Postby longhorn0915 » Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:43 pm

If you want to try to find her a transfer you are doing yourself an injustice, as, if you weren't happy with her, why would you wish unhappiness on another family?



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Postby ecureilx » Fri, 17 Jun 2011 1:50 pm

JR8 wrote:It would seem reasonable to me that if a maid gets pregnant then the costs thereof are the maids responsibility.

Why charge the employer? (beyond it being convenient?)


How to charge a maid, who earns less than 500 $ .. for a 20,000 $ complicated delivery ? And then the child is a ward of the state ? Make Singapore into a nanny state ?? :D :D

Ah come on .. if you tell the maid should pay, I can already sense that the squad of Suicide bombers who preach maid rights et al will start to stalk you :D

As I said, there are maids, who fool around, and when things go wrong, know it is their fault.

90% conveniently blame the boss, so does the maid's country, blaming the boss for such travesty ..

As SMS said, you can send her back .. if you are 'kind' enough, and it was just a problem of frequency, to the agency, and ENSURE SHE GETS TRANSFERRED.

UNtil she signs off a transfer, everything she does is still your headache .. or pleasure .. (like attempt to make some $, or this and that .. ) so you are liable ..

Or if you are sure the signs were serious enough, you can pack her off, and write a little love letter to MOM .. so MOM will ensure she doesn't abuse the next employer (only if you are sure that she deserves it .. and you have your facts .. right .. )

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Postby QRM » Fri, 17 Jun 2011 2:50 pm

longhorn0915 wrote:So if you agree to 4 days off a month, and the maid goes out one evening and gets knocked-up we are responsible for her pre-natal care?! Not to sound ugly, but what happens after that? Do we pay for room and board for her children? I must be misinterpreting something here!


Which is why some locals lock the maids in the house and wont let them out unless they are with them.

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 17 Jun 2011 6:07 pm

ecureilx wrote:
JR8 wrote:It would seem reasonable to me that if a maid gets pregnant then the costs thereof are the maids responsibility.

Why charge the employer? (beyond it being convenient?)


How to charge a maid, who earns less than 500 $ .. for a 20,000 $ complicated delivery ? And then the child is a ward of the state ? Make Singapore into a nanny state ?? :D :D

Ah come on .. if you tell the maid should pay, I can already sense that the squad of Suicide bombers who preach maid rights et al will start to stalk you :D

As I said, there are maids, who fool around, and when things go wrong, know it is their fault.

90% conveniently blame the boss, so does the maid's country, blaming the boss for such travesty ..

As SMS said, you can send her back .. if you are 'kind' enough, and it was just a problem of frequency, to the agency, and ENSURE SHE GETS TRANSFERRED.

UNtil she signs off a transfer, everything she does is still your headache .. or pleasure .. (like attempt to make some $, or this and that .. ) so you are liable ..

Or if you are sure the signs were serious enough, you can pack her off, and write a little love letter to MOM .. so MOM will ensure she doesn't abuse the next employer (only if you are sure that she deserves it .. and you have your facts .. right .. )


I see your thinking Ecu but if the cost was to fall on the maid she sure as heck would keep her legs together. Blame the boss?... well simple, DNA test.

Maybe managers in offices in SG should be responsible for the behaviour of their employees out of hours, after all maids and office workers must spend about the same amount of time in their employers company...

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Postby ecureilx » Fri, 17 Jun 2011 6:19 pm

JR8 wrote:I see your thinking Ecu but if the cost was to fall on the maid she sure as heck would keep her legs together. Blame the boss?... well simple, DNA test.

Maybe managers in offices in SG should be responsible for the behaviour of their employees out of hours, after all maids and office workers must spend about the same amount of time in their employers company...


And then the country of the maids will come down on Singapore for forcing poor girls to pay up ?? Ah come on ..

I been in the counselling long enough .. and have also encountered maids who add a couple of sleeping pills when the give coffee to their charges, when the charges are old people, so they can have a peaceful night out with their friends .. and more .. and then get drunk .. and then at 5 Am .. you can hear the ruckus outside the bars .. :D

And for responsibilty ?? I may sound like a moron for saying this, but .. a fair amount of maids have ZERO responsibility .. possibly it is their upbringing or the lifestyle back home ..

And often, the maids who cry for getting pregnant, have the same answer "I was following the natural method, and I think I lost the date .. "

Wanna breach safe sex and then get accused of possibly corrupting innocent maids ??

Be my guest .. can refer you to a lot of places where you can start off :D :D

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 17 Jun 2011 6:32 pm

Unfortunately I am starting to see some of the rational for keeping maids locked up. After all how can one be responsible for the behaviour of, well, as you describe them, virtual delinquents.

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Postby QRM » Fri, 17 Jun 2011 8:49 pm

JR8 wrote:Unfortunately I am starting to see some of the rational for keeping maids locked up. After all how can one be responsible for the behaviour of, well, as you describe them, virtual delinquents.


Or make sure you employ a really ugly helper with bad breath.

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 17 Jun 2011 9:01 pm

QRM wrote:
JR8 wrote:Unfortunately I am starting to see some of the rational for keeping maids locked up. After all how can one be responsible for the behaviour of, well, as you describe them, virtual delinquents.


Or make sure you employ a really ugly helper with bad breath.


Yes, for sure. Who would hire a good looking maid? You'd have to have a death-wish!

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Postby ecureilx » Fri, 17 Jun 2011 9:18 pm

JR8 wrote: Yes, for sure. Who would hire a good looking maid? You'd have to have a death-wish!


Why do you think that on weekends, a lot of would-be employers (especially the males) are browsing the pictures of prospective maids, looking for the cute ones, while the other half is looking for a not-so-cute one .. but end of the day, vanity wins .. both choose a nice looking ones, lest they be the joke of their friends ;) ;)

And even ugly ones, become Princess Fiona, once the veterans have rubbed off their experiences ...



The last line was in jest .. no shooting please .. :D


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