US Gold Reserve Has Not Been Audited Since 1950

solarv · Post by **solarv** » Wed, 24 Nov 2010 1:28 am

US Gold Reserve Has Not Been Audited Since 1950. How much gold left in there? That's everyone's guess! China has been buying a lot of gold - some from IMF, some from unknown sources... who is the most likely candidate that has been selling? hm...

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Splatted · Post by **Splatted** » Wed, 24 Nov 2010 2:46 am

Australia has been doing a lot of selling, from what I've heard.

India's been doing a lot of buying (and driving up the price), as there are more and more middle and higher income families these days

Post by **nakatago** » Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:16 am

...the guys from whom Glenn Beck buys gold?

Wind In My Hair · Post by **Wind In My Hair** » Wed, 24 Nov 2010 1:28 pm

Perhaps some facts will quell the scaremongering.

solarv wrote:US Gold Reserve Has Not Been Audited Since 1950. How much gold left in there? That's everyone's guess!

Not really. Most central banks do not allow audits of their reserves but report these quarterly. As of September 2010 the US had 8,113 tonnes of gold in its reserves. In 1990 it had 8,146 tonnes. As you can see the difference is only 33 tonnes or 0.4% of its total gold reserves.

solarv wrote:China has been buying a lot of gold

105 tonne increase at end-2001 and further 100 tonne increase at end-2002 to take reported reserves to 600 tonnes. In April 2009 it was announced that gold reserves had increased by 454 tonnes since 2003, taking holdings to 1,054 tonnes. Its additional 659 tonnes is a 166% increase over 10 years.

Splatted wrote:Australia has been doing a lot of selling, from what I've heard.

166 tonnes sold in 1997, reducing reserves to 80 tonnes. A lot as a proportion (67.5%) of the 246 tonnes it had in the beginning.

Splatted wrote:India's been doing a lot of buying (and driving up the price), as there are more and more middle and higher income families these days

Increased from 333 tonnes at end 1990 to 398 tonnes at end 1995, then reduced to 358 tonnes in 1998. The nett difference of 25 tonnes is 7.5% more than what it started with.

Source: World Gold Council

I get confused when 'a lot' is used to describe absolute numbers ranging from 25 to 659 tonnes, and percentages from 7.5% to 166%. Based on the figures above, I would consider only China as having bought "a lot", while Australia has sold a lot in proportion to its stock but nowhere near China's "a lot". And China's "a lot" still pales with what the US has in its reserves which is "a lot" compared to what any other country has.

Trying to understand this thread is making my brain hurt...

carteki · Post by **carteki** » Wed, 24 Nov 2010 3:29 pm

Wind In My Hair wrote:Perhaps some facts will quell the scaremongering.

solarv wrote:US Gold Reserve Has Not Been Audited Since 1950. How much gold left in there? That's everyone's guess!
Not really. Most central banks do not allow audits of their reserves but report these quarterly. As of September 2010 the US had 8,113 tonnes of gold in its reserves. In 1990 it had 8,146 tonnes. As you can see the difference is only 33 tonnes or 0.4% of its total gold reserves.

WIMH - just because you report that you're a millionaire doesn't mean that you actually have a million dollars. There is a reason businesses are forced to undergo the pain and expense of audits - to enforce (some semblance of) the truth

Wind In My Hair · Post by **Wind In My Hair** » Wed, 24 Nov 2010 4:17 pm

carteki wrote:WIMH - just because you report that you're a millionaire doesn't mean that you actually have a million dollars. There is a reason businesses are forced to undergo the pain and expense of audits - to enforce (some semblance of) the truth

True, but just because you are not audited doesn't mean you're lying, or that the reported figures are plucked from thin air. I have nothing against auditing (apart from the trade-off with productivity when taken to excess). But for the US to report that it has 8000 tonnes suggests to me that the actual figure is somewhere in that ballpark, and that it is not practically gone as the implication seems to be.

scarbowl · Post by **scarbowl** » Wed, 24 Nov 2010 4:32 pm

The US has been off the gold standard for some time. So I really couldn't care what amount of gold the Fed has or says it has. I'm not interested in someone's conspiracy theories about this or the World Trade Centers or who killed JFK. It's pointless to get into those discussions.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Wed, 24 Nov 2010 4:45 pm

So why post then?

scarbowl · Post by **scarbowl** » Wed, 24 Nov 2010 9:10 pm

To make a point, of course. And your post?

Wind In My Hair · Post by **Wind In My Hair** » Wed, 24 Nov 2010 9:43 pm

scarbowl wrote:The US has been off the gold standard for some time.

Since before I was born (yes SMS, I'm that young!) so your post seems a little behind time

scarbowl wrote:I really couldn't care what amount of gold the Fed has or says it has. I'm not interested in someone's conspiracy theories about this or the World Trade Centers or who killed JFK.

Nothing to do with conspiracy theories, just economics. Today gold is a financial asset just like bonds. If you are American you should care about the US gold reserves because it affects the country's financial stability. At today's gold price of $44,272 per kilo, 8133 tonnes is worth about US$360 billion and comprises 72% of the Fed's total reserves. Here's why central banks hold gold.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:33 pm

scarbowl wrote:To make a point, of course. And your post?

The same. Useless usage of bandwidth of course.

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