I certainly agree with what you are saying, though the reasons it was stopped in UK was because it was being abused too in the schools, i think what we have to consider that since the mid 50's & 60's that life has become much more governed by action groups, and I'm afraid that some people don't see reality as what it is.Wind In My Hair wrote:If you two keep squabbling I will cane you, ksl style of course. But don't worry, poodlek will probably offer to bare (sic) it on your behalf.
Ksl, I too was caned as a child but prison caning is of a different magnitude. Kind of like... A post is a post, but a 4-paragraph post is infinitely more painful to read than a 4-line post
What we are talking about? We are comparing the school caning to the punishment carried out in Singapore. You used this analogy. Does it compare? Does the video show something similar to what you remember from your school time? Calling it a misconception is an euphemism at best.ksl wrote:[..]
Yes I have seen the video, and yes it is comparable to the pain I felt and the whelts when you get whipped on your backside, the only difference is the damage and broken skin it is there for everyone to see, becuase they want you to see it, when you was told you wouldn't sit down for a week, they meant it.x9200 wrote:What we are talking about? We are comparing the school caning to the punishment carried out in Singapore. You used this analogy. Does it compare? Does the video show something similar to what you remember from your school time? Calling it a misconception is an euphemism at best.ksl wrote:[..]
How could you get from this that I am sympathetic to this guy - no idea. I said something rather opposite. I am NOT against caning as a punishment.
And you are wrong also in another point - I got my share of caning in the primary school.
Now WIMH you have no choice but whip me unless poodlek is already around.
ksl wrote:Yes I have seen the video, and yes it is comparable to the pain I felt and the whelts when you get whipped on your backside, the only difference is the damage and broken skin it is there for everyone to see, becuase they want you to see it, when you was told you wouldn't sit down for a week, they meant it.x9200 wrote:What we are talking about? We are comparing the school caning to the punishment carried out in Singapore. You used this analogy. Does it compare? Does the video show something similar to what you remember from your school time? Calling it a misconception is an euphemism at best.ksl wrote:[..]
How could you get from this that I am sympathetic to this guy - no idea. I said something rather opposite. I am NOT against caning as a punishment.
And you are wrong also in another point - I got my share of caning in the primary school.
Now WIMH you have no choice but whip me unless poodlek is already around.
If he had his pants on the pain would have been the same, I recall very well getting caned and it would be expected to be worse under the circulmstances of crime, and that's how one relates to it and a good reason to stay on the straight and narrow road I would still say its comparable yes, I have seen broken skin after 6 of the best, though not as bad as the video looks.
Then you did have a taste of the cane in primary, its good you can recall it, now the video reinforces the difference between right and wrong.
I think when Poodlek says she has endured worse, it must have been pretty bad, or a joke, but also you only have to visit the womens shelter to see some of the beatings they have lived with day in and day out, so who really knows, what she is refering too, pain and suffering is just that, it never just goes away until you are able to change your life.
Yes it did jog my memory it's 2years ago, I also wonder what happened to him, he will be around 34 today, it would be interesting to have his opinion.EADG wrote:I remembered there was quite a discourse on this very subject in this very forum not long ago: http://forum.singaporeexpats.com/ftopic ... sc-30.html
Back to the OP, have not heard what became of the perp since.
Another pov of that can be found here: http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.p ... -Prisoners - Actually from the Economist, but that is subscription only.sundaymorningstaple wrote:From where I sit, If we had more draconian laws in the US, Maybe we wouldn't have as high crime rates, drug problems or delinquency problems. I don't know. But, I do know this.... If you do the crime after all the warnings you get in Singapore from the moment you step off the airplane (actually while you are in the air before even landing) even before you get through immigration, then the punishment is warranted as you would have had to deliberately, with pre-meditation commit the crime (regardless of the nature of the crime). By making the punishment excessive, one would have to think twice about committing the crime. Therefore, no punishment is excessive if it accomplishes what it was designed to do - prevention of crime. It's only excessive when you "break the law". Solution? Don't break the law. Simple. Personally? I would like to see the US enact the same laws as are here.
Never in the civilised world have so many been locked up for so little
Wind In My Hair wrote:Nah, I like you too much to spank you, and ksl would like it too much if I spank him. Too bad poodlek is not around to prove her manhood...x9200 wrote:Now WIMH you have no choice but whip me unless poodlek is already around.
Carteki, thanks for that informative link.
Asian_Geekette wrote:Wind In My Hair wrote:Nah, I like you too much to spank you, and ksl would like it too much if I spank him. Too bad poodlek is not around to prove her manhood...x9200 wrote:Now WIMH you have no choice but whip me unless poodlek is already around.
Carteki, thanks for that informative link.
Ok, I have just turned around and when I come back to read this part, this so-called serious discussion has turned into a fetish play. It started with caning... now I see spanking and whipping!So, when do we take out the leather boots, corsets and garter belts for the annual Halloween fetish wear fashion show?! lol
Assuming of course that a criminal weighs the pros and cons of such a crime before committing it. I, personally, find it barbaric and a total disregard of human rights. Before someone else points out that the criminal (if he was rightly convicted, of course, since there is a 30% or so wrong conviction rates in the UK alone) has total disregard for his victims, surely a custodial sentence is enough, without stripping the person's sense of dignity?sundaymorningstaple wrote:It's interesting that my mother and I had a similar discussion a couple of nights ago about this very thing. She also thought the system was very barbaric until she looked at it from a different (my) POV.
From where I sit, If we had more draconian laws in the US, Maybe we wouldn't have as high crime rates, drug problems or delinquency problems. I don't know. But, I do know this.... If you do the crime after all the warnings you get in Singapore from the moment you step off the airplane (actually while you are in the air before even landing) even before you get through immigration, then the punishment is warranted as you would have had to deliberately, with pre-meditation commit the crime (regardless of the nature of the crime). By making the punishment excessive, one would have to think twice about committing the crime. Therefore, no punishment is excessive if it accomplishes what it was designed to do - prevention of crime. It's only excessive when you "break the law". Solution? Don't break the law. Simple. Personally? I would like to see the US enact the same laws as are here.
I think you should read this http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... on.justice and this link http://forum.singaporeexpats.com/ftopic ... sc-30.html There is enough source information.treacle_sponge wrote:Assuming of course that a criminal weighs the pros and cons of such a crime before committing it. I, personally, find it barbaric and a total disregard of human rights. Before someone else points out that the criminal (if he was rightly convicted, of course, since there is a 30% or so wrong conviction rates in the UK alone) has total disregard for his victims, surely a custodial sentence is enough, without stripping the person's sense of dignity?sundaymorningstaple wrote:It's interesting that my mother and I had a similar discussion a couple of nights ago about this very thing. She also thought the system was very barbaric until she looked at it from a different (my) POV.
From where I sit, If we had more draconian laws in the US, Maybe we wouldn't have as high crime rates, drug problems or delinquency problems. I don't know. But, I do know this.... If you do the crime after all the warnings you get in Singapore from the moment you step off the airplane (actually while you are in the air before even landing) even before you get through immigration, then the punishment is warranted as you would have had to deliberately, with pre-meditation commit the crime (regardless of the nature of the crime). By making the punishment excessive, one would have to think twice about committing the crime. Therefore, no punishment is excessive if it accomplishes what it was designed to do - prevention of crime. It's only excessive when you "break the law". Solution? Don't break the law. Simple. Personally? I would like to see the US enact the same laws as are here.
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