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Appealing for EP - Any Services to help the process?

Postby luciuszhun » Mon, 18 Oct 2010 5:23 pm

Dear Singapore Expats Forum Readers,

Recently my EP application has been rejected. I dont know the reason, and neither do my HR. I have researched around about the reasons that will be considered in the approval. Here is my details:
1. Salary > 2.5k ( condition fullfilled)
2. Work Experience ( i did an intern programme which is about 3 months, a classmate of mine who did the same programme with me has been approved & now is working in Singapore)
3. Education Background ( graduated from RMIT )
4. Age, currently I am 20 years old, is there any law stating that an individual must be 21 years old at age for employment?

My HR went to the MOM office together with me to ask for the reason and to appeal the EP application. But of course, they wont tell us the reason. HR did ask them is it the company or the candidate's problem, and they said NEITHER. So i am stuck in waiting the news for my appeal and they have said that i have very slim chances in the appeal and S-pass without giving a proper reason.

Recently, i saw some websites that provide visa applications such as THIS and THIS
Ok, just straight to my question, is this kind of visa service really works? Or do the member have other alternatives that maybe can help the process? Appreciate any tips and suggestions.

My company is one of the biggest telco companies in Singapore, i am offered an IT Analyst position, i dont think there is a problem with the company, but any suggestion is appreciated.

Thanks,
Edward

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Postby Strong Eagle » Mon, 18 Oct 2010 5:39 pm

I would say, "Don't waste your money" with either of these firms.

For yourself (if you are going to appeal):

a) Have you verified that your university is on MOM's list of acceptable institutions?
b) Did you get your degree in classroom learning (not distance)? If yes, be sure to say so.
c) What special skills do you have that cannot be found in a Singapore local?

For the employer:

a) What special skills does this person bring that cannot be found in a Singapore local? For example, did your internship equip you with something special for a telco?

I would not bother to appeal if all you are going to do is say: Would you please look at it again. You will get the same answer unless you have new documentation to submit or a change in circumstances.

Personally, I don't think you have much chance. There are many IT graduates in Singapore and you don't have any real work experience.

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Postby observer » Mon, 18 Oct 2010 8:21 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:c) What special skills do you have that cannot be found in a Singapore local?

For the employer:

a) What special skills does this person bring that cannot be found in a Singapore local?


This is all.
It's common sense - if you try to come in before I go out, I can't go out. And you can't come in! Lose-lose!

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Postby luciuszhun » Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:10 pm

well, for my part, i do know what to answer when this kind of question is asked. In fact, this kind of question is asked by the interviewer during the session. haha.

the HR did wrote the justification of the appeal in the appeal form, but i didnt have the chance to read it. Should i ask them about it?

I think what you all trying to say is to convince the company itself ya. Well they told me they would give me a chance to do appeal twice and offered the appeal before i asked it. I'm not sure what the MOM would think about my application.

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Postby ksl » Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:06 pm

luciuszhun wrote:well, for my part, i do know what to answer when this kind of question is asked. In fact, this kind of question is asked by the interviewer during the session. haha.

the HR did wrote the justification of the appeal in the appeal form, but i didnt have the chance to read it. Should i ask them about it?

I think what you all trying to say is to convince the company itself ya. Well they told me they would give me a chance to do appeal twice and offered the appeal before i asked it. I'm not sure what the MOM would think about my application.
Personally i think they are clamping down and don't want any foreigners coming in, unless they have exceptional skills, and i doubt you can offer enough. Most Singaporeans with your skills, will be wanting that placement, and I don't think you can change their minds.

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Postby luciuszhun » Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:42 am

my status is quite much the same with Anshul who's also posting on appealing process in here. i talked with him, found out HR will most probably be given the reason of rejection when the appeal result is out.

the job that is offered now is based on Java and i did several projects on them and one of them actually won an award in Malaysian Tech Expo '10.
i dont know whether it can help, but i included it in the appeal form for the MOM officer to consider. was also a head of society in the university which done several IT events.

I'm not trying to imply anything here, but thanks for the opinion, i believe it is not impossible for a fresh grad from oversea to find a job in Singapore

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Postby ksl » Tue, 19 Oct 2010 8:23 pm

I agree with you its not at all impossible and you shouldn't lose hope, just look carefully at your angles of approach, to succeed, looks like you are already doing that, so good luck.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:33 pm

luciuszhun wrote:my status is quite much the same with Anshul who's also posting on appealing process in here. i talked with him, found out HR will most probably be given the reason of rejection when the appeal result is out.

Doubtful. Let us know if he does. ;)

the job that is offered now is based on Java and i did several projects on them and one of them actually won an award in Malaysian Tech Expo '10.
i dont know whether it can help, but i included it in the appeal form for the MOM officer to consider. was also a head of society in the university which done several IT events.

I'm not trying to imply anything here, but thanks for the opinion, i believe it is not impossible for a fresh grad from oversea to find a job in Singapore

Don't bet your last yuan on it!


Good luck, and please don't be disappointed when it doesn't pan out. If you cannot offer any additional 'relevant' data, you are probably gonna fail.

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Postby luciuszhun » Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:09 pm

Reply from Anshul:

Hi Edward

Yes, they told my HR the possible reason of my EP rejection. Just a reference and nothing else.you cant claim that.

it took me around 48 days to got my EP arroved again :)


but the HR didnt tell him, because at the end he is approved, i dont think it matters anymore huh?
thanks, i hope so, i'll leave my ear open for any suggestion and option given :lol:

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Re: Appealing for EP - Any Services to help the process?

Postby vini » Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:00 pm

luciuszhun wrote:Dear Singapore Expats Forum Readers,

Recently my EP application has been rejected. I dont know the reason, and neither do my HR. I have researched around about the reasons that will be considered in the approval. Here is my details:
1. Salary > 2.5k ( condition fullfilled)
2. Work Experience ( i did an intern programme which is about 3 months, a classmate of mine who did the same programme with me has been approved & now is working in Singapore)
3. Education Background ( graduated from RMIT )
4. Age, currently I am 20 years old, is there any law stating that an individual must be 21 years old at age for employment?

My HR went to the MOM office together with me to ask for the reason and to appeal the EP application. But of course, they wont tell us the reason. HR did ask them is it the company or the candidate's problem, and they said NEITHER. So i am stuck in waiting the news for my appeal and they have said that i have very slim chances in the appeal and S-pass without giving a proper reason.

Recently, i saw some websites that provide visa applications such as THIS and THIS
Ok, just straight to my question, is this kind of visa service really works? Or do the member have other alternatives that maybe can help the process? Appreciate any tips and suggestions.

My company is one of the biggest telco companies in Singapore, i am offered an IT Analyst position, i dont think there is a problem with the company, but any suggestion is appreciated.

Thanks,
Edward


Hi Edward,
I am facing a similar problem. Any updates on your case?
Please suggest if i should use the services mentioned above for appeal.

Thanks,
Vini

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Re: Appealing for EP - Any Services to help the process?

Postby Strong Eagle » Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:06 pm

vini wrote:
luciuszhun wrote:Dear Singapore Expats Forum Readers,

Recently my EP application has been rejected. I dont know the reason, and neither do my HR. I have researched around about the reasons that will be considered in the approval. Here is my details:
1. Salary > 2.5k ( condition fullfilled)
2. Work Experience ( i did an intern programme which is about 3 months, a classmate of mine who did the same programme with me has been approved & now is working in Singapore)
3. Education Background ( graduated from RMIT )
4. Age, currently I am 20 years old, is there any law stating that an individual must be 21 years old at age for employment?

My HR went to the MOM office together with me to ask for the reason and to appeal the EP application. But of course, they wont tell us the reason. HR did ask them is it the company or the candidate's problem, and they said NEITHER. So i am stuck in waiting the news for my appeal and they have said that i have very slim chances in the appeal and S-pass without giving a proper reason.

Recently, i saw some websites that provide visa applications such as THIS and THIS
Ok, just straight to my question, is this kind of visa service really works? Or do the member have other alternatives that maybe can help the process? Appreciate any tips and suggestions.

My company is one of the biggest telco companies in Singapore, i am offered an IT Analyst position, i dont think there is a problem with the company, but any suggestion is appreciated.

Thanks,
Edward


Hi Edward,
I am facing a similar problem. Any updates on your case?
Please suggest if i should use the services mentioned above for appeal.

Thanks,
Vini


Did you read the rest of the thread? If you have been rejected, there is no point in appealing unless:

a) There is a change in your circumstances... more pay, new credentials, other things that enhance your desirability.

b) Your company pays you more, or does a better job of explaining why they need you over a local. Sometimes this just comes down to job description and duties.

So tell me... what does either of these companies know about you and the your employer and job that you don't already know?


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