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Postby Asdracles » Mon, 27 Sep 2010 5:37 pm

Again, let's follow this thumb rule. "Your chances without degree are near 0 except if you can offer a kind of skill that are not in the SG market"

That's all. There are lot of sales people here, most of them with a kind of degree. Just to put the real example, my company got a few EP this year without any degree. Why? I work in a chess academy. Over 60 schools have chess activities in SG, and there are only 6 singaporeans certified trainers (2 of them not working in this business). We need over 40 trainers in all the different academies. So right, there is a chance that you can get a job here as there is demand and they can't be picky, as if no foreigners, no trainers, no activities in school and so on.

But sales? If you don't get the pass a singaporean will do your work. EXCEPT (again) if you are in a concrete area where nobody here can compete with you.

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Postby Strong Eagle » Mon, 27 Sep 2010 5:39 pm

ashtrix wrote:and in terms of other sales jobs?


If you can close big deals, especially in the tech arena, many companies will gobble you up and you will get an EP... a P1, no doubt, because if you can actually sell large deals, you will be making a lot of money and the P1 will be a shoe in.

If you are talking run of the mill sales jobs... like retail... or small B2B, you will have a difficult time getting a job, let alone a work permit. Chinese firms probably won't hire you unless you provide a specific entree into a new business line, and if you are hired, other Chinese companies won't do business with you.

But the biggest problem is that the gahmen won't give you a work permit because you'll be doing a job that the locals can do.

So, if you can close a million dollar deal, you're in.

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Postby ksl » Mon, 27 Sep 2010 7:40 pm

Have to agree with SE, your sales ability must be exceptionally high skilled, you would then have to talk the hind legs off a pig, sell ice to the Eskimo's and sand to the Arab countries, if you are a closer that maybe a plus.

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Postby nakatago » Mon, 27 Sep 2010 7:48 pm

i just thought of an idea how op can relocate and make a living in singapore...

...start a company and hire locals.

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Postby Strong Eagle » Mon, 27 Sep 2010 8:06 pm

nakatago wrote:i just thought of an idea how op can relocate and make a living in singapore...

...start a company and hire locals.


Aye. All this takes is S$50,000 and a good Entrepass application.

And they do make you prove up a $50,000 paid up capital with a bank account in the company name, showing the capital present.

Doesn't mean you can't draw it back out in salaries or what have you, but does mean you need S$50K real money.

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Postby ashtrix » Mon, 27 Sep 2010 9:09 pm

and a dependent pass? even though we are not married but live together ?

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Postby Strong Eagle » Mon, 27 Sep 2010 9:17 pm

ashtrix wrote:and a dependent pass? even though we are not married but live together ?


Can maybe, lah... if you are able to show common law marriage previously. Do a search under 'living together', 'common law' and such. Shared expenses, common domicile, embassy willing to say you live together with all the trappings of marriage.

She does have an EP, yah?

Not trying to be a hard case here... it's just that things have tightened up a lot in the last 12 months... what was once easy is now very difficult.

But if your 'wife' has EP and you can prove up cohabitation, you probably can get DP.

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Postby nakatago » Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:52 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:
nakatago wrote:i just thought of an idea how op can relocate and make a living in singapore...

...start a company and hire locals.


Aye. All this takes is S$50,000 and a good Entrepass application.


simple, yea? easy, nay...

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:35 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:
ashtrix wrote:and a dependent pass? even though we are not married but live together ?


Can maybe, lah... if you are able to show common law marriage previously. Do a search under 'living together', 'common law' and such. Shared expenses, common domicile, embassy willing to say you live together with all the trappings of marriage.

She does have an EP, yah?

Not trying to be a hard case here... it's just that things have tightened up a lot in the last 12 months... what was once easy is now very difficult.

But if your 'wife' has EP and you can prove up cohabitation, you probably can get DP.


If the "wife" has EP, you don't need to prove cohabitation and don't need DP either. She will be here on her own credentials.

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Postby Asdracles » Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:55 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:If the "wife" has EP, you don't need to prove cohabitation and don't need DP either. She will be here on her own credentials.


And what about him? :D

I think OP was asking about this option to get a DP for himself, linked to his girlfriend EP, as looks tough to get an EP himself

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Postby ksl » Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:06 am

Asdracles wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:If the "wife" has EP, you don't need to prove cohabitation and don't need DP either. She will be here on her own credentials.


And what about him? :D

I think OP was asking about this option to get a DP for himself, linked to his girlfriend EP, as looks tough to get an EP himself
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Postby ashtrix » Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:15 am

so although we are not married i can still apply for a dependent pass as she has a degree and the relevant qualifications for her to apply for a normal visa

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Postby Asdracles » Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:46 am

Wait. You can apply for a Dependant Pass ONLY if your partner has an EP. So she must have a job, not only good qualifications.

She gets the job -> She applies for the pass -> If approved you can start to think about your DP

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Postby Mad Scientist » Tue, 28 Sep 2010 2:56 am

ashtrix wrote:so although we are not married i can still apply for a dependent pass as she has a degree and the relevant qualifications for her to apply for a normal visa


Let me work the equations for you as you seemed to be very confused

1. Man (EP) + Woman (DP) (if co-habit) = OK

2. Woman(EP) + Man(DP)(If co-habit) = OK

3. Man(EP) + Woman (EP) (No Co-habit) = OK

4. Man (DP) + Woman (DP) (if co-habit) = Karoake (Seriously NO !!)

Capsice ?
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Postby carlsum1986 » Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:26 am

Mad Scientist wrote:4. Man (DP) + Woman (DP) (if co-habit) = Karoake (Seriously NO !!)

Capsice ?


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