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moving to singapore, but have no degree!!!!

Post by ashtrix » Fri, 24 Sep 2010 9:15 pm

I am looking to move to singapre with my girlfriend maybe december 2011, i didnt finish my degree, but have been working for over 8 years in sales, my salary is around $36000 per annum, is there any any i can get a job there and be given the green light to live there? i am from the UK and am 29 years old

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Post by nakatago » Fri, 24 Sep 2010 9:25 pm

ashtrix wrote:is there any any i can get a job there and be given the green light to live there?
Yes; get an offer of at least 7000 SGD per month. Search for the Ministry of Manpower website using your favorite search engine for details.
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Post by ashtrix » Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:07 pm

so ill need an offer from a singapoe employer who offers me 7000 per month but if not then i wont be able to move there?

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Post by Asdracles » Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:30 pm

It's not an exact rule, but quite a good helpful guide.

The higher is your salary, the less important are your qualifications. Government will think that you are really useful for the company if they are willing to pay you so much. But if is a normal salary, you must prove (with qualifications & work experience) that you will be better for the position than any local that can do the same work

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Post by ashtrix » Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:55 pm

ok im starting to understand a little, so there is practically no chance of living there unless i get offered a high salary as i have no degree?

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:34 am

Anything less than S$7K/mo will put you under a lesser Employment Pass than a P1 pass. A P1 pass is salary dependent only. Lesser passes all require a degree minimum. There is one other way and that is to marry a Singaporean and then get a LTVP (long term visit pass) but you will still not be able to work unless you can qualify for a P1 pass.
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Post by Asdracles » Sat, 25 Sep 2010 1:54 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Anything less than S$7K/mo will put you under a lesser Employment Pass than a P1 pass. A P1 pass is salary dependent only. Lesser passes all require a degree minimum. There is one other way and that is to marry a Singaporean and then get a LTVP (long term visit pass) but you will still not be able to work unless you can qualify for a P1 pass.
I disagree about the word "require", with a few examples to show (even this year). However, it's very difficult and you must offer something really different, something that can't be found in Singapore easily and is highly demanded to compensate the lack of degree

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Post by ksl » Sat, 25 Sep 2010 2:26 am

ashtrix wrote:I am looking to move to singapre with my girlfriend maybe december 2011, i didnt finish my degree, but have been working for over 8 years in sales, my salary is around $36000 per annum, is there any any i can get a job there and be given the green light to live there? i am from the UK and am 29 years old
If you are still employed you may wish to discuss with your company about opening an office for sales and business expansion, extending business into Asia and you could come over on a P1 7k a month.

Not really difficult if you are determined to find a way, your documentation of 7k a month puts you into another bracket in Singapore, that you must be capable of producing the goods, growth to get that income.

So you could also get your girlfriend to register a business and employ you too if she gets employed here on EP. You need to document you are living together in UK by taking the oath with a solicitor and producing utility bills and rental contract, for you to come here as a dependant. If she scores a position on her own degree. There are a few ways of looking into the possibilities, before all the doors are closed.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 25 Sep 2010 9:01 am

Asdracles wrote:
I disagree about the word "require", with a few examples to show (even this year). However, it's very difficult and you must offer something really different, something that can't be found in Singapore easily and is highly demanded to compensate the lack of degree
Fair enough, as long as you have a minimum of 5 years of relevant experience. Even then, you will only qualify for a Q pass. For a P2 you must have a degree. Of course, there may be the one off (especially if it's someone who has been here before and qualified previously in a different epoch) but we tend to try to give the government approved stance.

http://www.mom.gov.sg/foreign-manpower/ ... fault.aspx

They can also used the self-assessment EP tool to see if they are qualified. It's located at the bottom of the page. However, they should also take note that even if they are eligible based on that tool, it's only half the battle. The employer has to also prove that they need to hire a foreigner to do the job because there aren't enough local with the experience to do it. That's when it gets beyond our control.
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Post by ashtrix » Sat, 25 Sep 2010 6:08 pm

what would be the chance of a real estate sales consultant with over 5 years experience but no degree chances of getting a work permit?

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Sun, 26 Sep 2010 12:47 am

Flip a coin.
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Post by ksl » Sun, 26 Sep 2010 1:51 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Flip a coin.
don't even bother flipping the coin, with so many agents here, there is no chance

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Post by Asian_Geekette » Sun, 26 Sep 2010 2:42 pm

ksl wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:Flip a coin.
don't even bother flipping the coin, with so many agents here, there is no chance
ksl is right. Sorry to burst your bubble ashtrix. The government is very strict with the working visa process. What do you have to offer the country which no other locals can do? Unless you have very niche/special skills that this country needs. Then you have a chance to get a work visa here. Or just follow ksl's advice about opening a business here (but that's another discussion altogether).

Wish it could have been a bit brighter but we just have to be realistic with all the backlash against foreign talents. :cry:
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Post by observer » Sun, 26 Sep 2010 11:08 pm

ashtrix wrote:what would be the chance of a real estate sales consultant with over 5 years experience but no degree chances of getting a work permit?
Zero. There are already too many agents.
It's common sense - if you try to come in before I go out, I can't go out. And you can't come in! Lose-lose!

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Post by ashtrix » Mon, 27 Sep 2010 5:17 pm

and in terms of other sales jobs?

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