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Married before getting Work Permit Pass in Singapore

Postby kevann » Sun, 19 Sep 2010 9:21 pm

Hi all

Would any one know if one is married for about 2 years to a Singaporean then after found a job and was given a work permit pass for 2 years. Tried to apply for SPR and was rejected 3 times. During this period holding Work Permit, planned to have children is it possible and will it breach M.O.M. rules? Will there be any government subsidy to for her deliver in singapore?

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Re: Married before getting Work Permit Pass in Singapore

Postby Mad Scientist » Mon, 20 Sep 2010 4:48 am

This issue has been discussed in numerous times. Read this

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kevann wrote:Hi all

Would any one know if one is married for about 2 years to a Singaporean

DId you asked permission to get married from MOM

then after found a job and was given a work permit pass for 2 years.

Did you received your work pass after or before marriage. If the former, did you declare to MOM you are married to Sger?


Tried to apply for SPR and was rejected 3 times. During this period holding Work Permit, planned to have children is it possible and will it breach M.O.M. rules?
If you did not apply for permission and did not declare after getting work permit, you are breaching of MOM guideline

Will there be any government subsidy to for her deliver in singapore?

Subsidy> No. She can still deliver here but paid full cost. Child will be a Sger base on hubby a Sger. Alternatively give birth at home country and return to SG to register child as a Sger by descent.

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Postby kevann » Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:26 am

Hi

Thanks for replying.

The problem is that before marriage for was on student pass.
Then after marriage got a Long Term Visit Pass.
After a year when studies completed, found a job and now on Work Permit Pass.
Now planning to have children will it still breach MOM guildlines?
Even if the husband is a Sger there is no subsidy?
You mean she can go back to her home country to deliver the child then return to singapore to register the child as a Sger or PR?

What mentioned in the thread you mention was a work permit holder at first, that's why was very confused.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:16 pm

As long as you fully indicated on your WP application that you were, in fact, married AND to a Singaporean up front, at the MOM issued you a Work Permit, then you are not in violation of any MOM rulings.

The MOM only is concerned with those who came here single and got a job on a Work Permit and subsequently married a Singaporean WITHOUT asking permission from MOM. You do not need to as MOM if you are here on a non-working visa (an LTVP is not a working visa).

Did you inform MOM that you were married to a local when you applied for your Work Permit?

If your marriage was okay and didn't contravene MOM guidelines, having a baby here will not.

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Postby kevann » Mon, 20 Sep 2010 2:20 pm

Thanks alot!

Replies are so prompt and helpful here!

So that means COMFIRMED there are no subsidy for either the husband or wife is a Singaporean? Which mean got to pay full price at government hospitals when delivering? which hospitals are cheap?

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Postby Mad Scientist » Mon, 20 Sep 2010 6:10 pm

kevann wrote:Thanks alot!

Replies are so prompt and helpful here!

So that means COMFIRMED there are no subsidy for either the husband or wife is a Singaporean? Which mean got to pay full price at government hospitals when delivering? which hospitals are cheap?


I may be wrong here but if my memory serves me right, if one of you is a Sger and paying for your spouse for birth thru Medishield or Medisave, you can get subsidy. Please contact local hospital like KKH or NUH.
I think KKH or SGH is reasonable> I do not think there is cheap delivery package in Singapore. Cheap can only meant one thing, you give birth on your own at home.
Alternatively if this fail you go back home to your own country , give birth there then register child for SG Citizenship within 1st year of birth. This is the procedure

http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=132

Please remember if child is a male , he will do NS when he turns 18. So choose wisely. Or get child a LTSVP under your work pass.
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Postby kevann » Tue, 21 Sep 2010 7:11 pm

Hi all

Some updates from MOM, they just called me not long ago and said that even though you are married before getting a Work Permit, you'll still need to seek approval from MOM.

Damn it! >.<

Procedure.
1. Inform Company's HR that one is expecting.
2. Company's HR to inform and seek approval from MOM
3. Approval takes 14 days to inform Company's HR

Damn it! What happen if they disapprove? Black listed?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:02 pm

Approval for what? Unless she has already been on a work permit, it's not any of MOM's business. That's like saying all Singaporeans, if they want to marry a foreigner, male or female, educated or not, has to as MOM if they can get married? doesn't sound correct to me. I believe either you have explained it to the MOM officer wrongly, or you misunderstood the answer. Of course stranger things has happened, as they are civil servants so aren't always the smartest kids on the block either.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Wed, 22 Sep 2010 3:53 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:That's like saying all Singaporeans, if they want to marry a foreigner, male or female, educated or not, has to as MOM if they can get married? doesn't sound correct to me.


SMS, this is exactly what had happened to my brother. He got married overseas and only register his marriage in SG after they decided to move back to SG five years later. I am not sure if that ruling has changed or not as different officer interpretes differently. My advise to all would-be couple ask MOM first b4 going down this path. It does not hurt to ask
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 22 Sep 2010 7:00 am

Would be interesting to get something firm from MOM with this regard as something so important (e.g., mine-field just about a bad as the NS one) should have something written down as a flag for it's citizens and future citizens. :???:

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Postby kevann » Wed, 22 Sep 2010 9:18 am

I actually wrote in under the enquiries section at the MOM website and ask about my current situation. So the CSO called me back the next day after office hour and told me no matter what is that she got marry first under a non work permit pass is still a work permit holder because she is holding one now! So she need to do the above pocedure mentioned in the previous thread.

That CSO is a lady whose name is Christant.

Damn it! >.<

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Postby Mad Scientist » Wed, 22 Sep 2010 9:28 am

kevann wrote:I actually wrote in under the enquiries section at the MOM website and ask about my current situation. So the CSO called me back the next day after office hour and told me no matter what is that she got marry first under a non work permit pass is still a work permit holder because she is holding one now! So she need to do the above pocedure mentioned in the previous thread.

That CSO is a lady whose name is Christant.

Damn it! >.<


Read this.
http://app.mfa.gov.sg/generator/asppage ... rriage.asp
Actually you are not inside this category.
You are married for 2 yrs , then she got a job. I think you have a case to argue

Go and see MOM personally.
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Postby kevann » Wed, 22 Sep 2010 9:31 am

Thanks alot for this info!

Will wait about another month to go for scan then after will get her to inform her HR that she is expecting.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:00 am

MS, that is my whole contention. MOM should only be concerned with those who ALREADY have been on a WP, not those who have never had a WP before - that isn't the purview of MOM but one of ICA. Frankly, I think OP got somebody in MOM who doesn't know Sh*t from Shinola and gave him a bum steer.
A Singaporean who is desirous of marrying a work permit/ex-work permit holder is required to seek the prior approval of the Controller of Work Permits before contracting marriage in Singapore or elsewhere.


The official statement above, indicates that MOM approval only needs getting IF the foreign prospective spouse is a) either currently holding a work permit; or b) Has held a work permit previously. In either case this does not include someone who has already been married and is now granted a WP. However, there is something here that smells fishy that I don't think we have been informed of. There is a timeline problem here I believe and I'm not sure whether the marriage has been actually solemnized or not. (I believe part of the population have two perceptions as to when the marriage actually takes place. Traditionally or legally.) I believe we actually need more data.


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