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Re: Read carefully before you judge

Postby nakatago » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 7:24 am

Plavt wrote:
anneteoh wrote:
If there is corruption, and I've lived there, it's not what the govt is aware of.



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Re: Read carefully before you judge

Postby EADG » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 8:36 am

Haven't some magazines and newspapers, including Time, had issues pulled and disallowed for sale here for printing 'controversial' articles?


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anneteoh wrote:Who says I said there's corruption in SG? What kind of reporter are you to have come to that conclusion BTW?



Of course there is corruption in SG. Or is SG the one sole country in the world where there isn't?

X9200 is clearly not a SGn reporter, as no SGn journalist would dare report on corruption, not least because most media outlets are owned by the government.

Foreign journalists who might suggest that all is not quite adding up in the land of milk and honey are routinely sued into bankruptcy.

Funny you never read any reports of corruption then, isn't it?
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Re: Read carefully before you judge

Postby JR8 » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 3:28 pm

nakatago wrote:
Plavt wrote:
anneteoh wrote:
If there is corruption, and I've lived there, it's not what the govt is aware of.



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Re: Read carefully before you judge

Postby JR8 » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 3:43 pm

EADG wrote:Haven't some magazines and newspapers, including Time, had issues pulled and disallowed for sale here for printing 'controversial' articles?


JR8 wrote:
anneteoh wrote:Who says I said there's corruption in SG? What kind of reporter are you to have come to that conclusion BTW?



Of course there is corruption in SG. Or is SG the one sole country in the world where there isn't?

X9200 is clearly not a SGn reporter, as no SGn journalist would dare report on corruption, not least because most media outlets are owned by the government.

Foreign journalists who might suggest that all is not quite adding up in the land of milk and honey are routinely sued into bankruptcy.

Funny you never read any reports of corruption then, isn't it?


Well here is just one...
http://www.rcfp.org/newsitems/index.php?i=846
re: Christopher Lingle getting fined for contempt. He then also got tried in parallel for libel, an action brought by the chief monkey himself, and you can guess who won that one can't you? It was covered in the press at the time, him having his passport impounded. Maybe his family did too, I forget now...

There have certainly been other cases against individual journalists, one recently vs the now defunct Far East Economic Review. (go on, guess who won that one!)

As you say there are plenty of others, NY Times, IHT, WSJ (go on guess which individual has NEVER lost a libel suit in his life :roll: )


I wasn't going to reply to Anne Teoh on this point. As if you are SGn, and clearly intelligent, but profess ignorance of any such cases, then you would seem to occupy an intentionally entrenched position ...

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 3:47 pm

p.s. I think this is why if you do a search on many newspapers re: SG you will get very little back apart from the standard travel articles.

Foreign media perhaps just can't be bothered with the likelyhood of hassle that comes from writing deeper articles about the place. KISS... Keep It Shallow Stupid :)
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Postby JR8 » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 3:55 pm

re: WSJ

[i]The editorials and the letter “contained insinuations of bias, lack of impartiality and lack of independence and implied that the judiciary is subservient to Lee and/or the PAP and is a tool for silencing political dissent,”

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Re: Read carefully before you judge

Postby nakatago » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 4:24 pm

JR8 wrote:As you say there are plenty of others, NY Times, IHT, WSJ (go on guess which individual has NEVER lost a libel suit in his life :roll: ).


actually, he pulled a similar stunt against a former fellow man top dawg in the great white north (or was it an appeal? details very fuzzy) and the judge threw it out for being "trivial."

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 4:28 pm

http://www.rcfp.org/newsitems/index.php ... _y=&cat=-1

Some choice summations contained in the above.

Bedtime reading Anne? :wink:

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Postby nakatago » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 4:32 pm

holy crap. does this mean we have to look for the sing expats party van outside?

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Re: Read carefully before you judge

Postby JR8 » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 4:54 pm

nakatago wrote:
JR8 wrote:As you say there are plenty of others, NY Times, IHT, WSJ (go on guess which individual has NEVER lost a libel suit in his life :roll: ).


actually, he pulled a similar stunt against a former fellow man top dawg in the great white north (or was it an appeal? details very fuzzy) and the judge threw it out for being "trivial."


Don't know who you refer to, but could it be that it was not heard by his own judges, cough, I mean in his own country?

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Re: Read carefully before you judge

Postby nakatago » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 5:10 pm

JR8 wrote:Don't know who you refer to, but could it be that it was not heard by his own judges, cough, I mean in his own country?


canadiastan. fearing that the spooks will misinterpret all this (like they seem wont to do) and the party van may pick me up, I'm sending you a pm for more details.

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Re: Read carefully before you judge

Postby JR8 » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 5:42 pm

nakatago wrote:
JR8 wrote:Don't know who you refer to, but could it be that it was not heard by his own judges, cough, I mean in his own country?


canadiastan. fearing that the spooks will misinterpret all this (like they seem wont to do) and the party van may pick me up, I'm sending you a pm for more details.


Thanks N, got it and replied.

Interesting!

p.s. I was right then :wink:

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Postby morenangpinay » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:04 pm

from what i read in their rules...for foreign publications to be allowed to be distributed in SG, they cant comment on local issues and government. sg does rank very low on free press

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Postby JR8 » Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:17 am

More paranoid than most countries on earth.

Funny that the allegedly billionaire Lee family would be like that isn't it.

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Re: Read carefully before you judge

Postby anneteoh » Wed, 25 Aug 2010 4:11 am

x9200 wrote:Oh, I missed this one - thank you JR8 :)

anneteoh wrote:
x9200 wrote:This is more general remark so MS, please do not take it personally.
What you've been persistently doing in this thread is proving something what nobody even challenged. Just opposite, I think I stated this like few times - many things are not done fair and you can not openly challenge the system. At the same time you clearly neglect to acknowledge that you, your mindset, mentality is very different from majority of Singaporeans. You judge the system and somebody feelings by your own specific values. If this is so bad as you telling why almost everybody wants to migrate here? Are Singaporeans free to leave or are forced to suffer under this "dictatorship"? Suharto, Marcos, Mahathir, are their nations enjoying the same wealth and wellbeing as Singaporeans? Am I missing something here?
Yes, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely but that's the point - I do not really see this absolute corruption in Singapore. I see limitations to the freedom but I also see a well organized and surprisingly well running socialistic enterprise and for this he has my credit.


I really suggest you read carefully re my own opinion of SG and get your facts right. And obviously, check your literacy levels before you get to talk about my mindset. What do you know. I wouldn't have that presumption even when I think I can place you with regards to personal profiling.LOL

I'm not bashing SG or its leadership, just trying to assuage the rumbling dissents - that's the gist of my reponse.

This summarises the whole point - anything can be misconstrued. I reckon in politics, people's literacy levels must be of a standard of transparent understanding or they shouldn't bother to participate discussing politics. Be aware that politicains have more clout to libel accusations or slander. Hence, it's trouble free to engage your interests elsewhere.

Who says I said there's corruption in SG? What kind of reporter are you to have come to that conclusion BTW?



Anne, you and your issues again. Telling me about my literacy and not being able to make a logical sense out of few simple, plain English sentences. I am only responding to this creation of yours to straighten things up. Read it again. Use wet tissue on your forehead to avoid overheating of the CPU. Buy a dictionary. Look up the verb "to corrupt". In this discussion I am actually on your side of the barricade. Very uneasy feeling if you ask me.


x9200, I do apologise. I realised after rereading the post that you meant MS as for Mad Scientist rather than Ms! I guess I was inclined to think you were addressing the criticism to me regardless of the facts due to an initial experience I had had in this forum when the horrid guys were messing about with my posts. In this context, I , too was perplexed, as I thought you were one of the guys who positively defend SG as an exemplary model of good government. Hope this clears up your anxiety.
But hey, are the imperatives necessary? Heavens, it's like a child's game now!
I never use emoticons but it mysteriously appeared in my last post - a Mr Cool smoking a cigar. Someone's trying to be funny at my expense. It had happened before. Perhaps one of the good mods can check this out - who had tempered with the internal engine of this technology?


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