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NS Issue: coming back this wednesday. Need advice asap!!!

Postby weihungchew88 » Tue, 17 Aug 2010 4:34 am

I need serious advice here. I am a 21 years old Singaporean citizen and living abroad. I emigrated to Holland a few years ago to skip the military service. I am not unsupportive of NS and I think it is a good training for young men and to serve the nation. But to force it upon us and leaves us with no alternatives, I think that really is against human rights. Anyways, I am coming back to SG this Wednesday to visit my family. Do you think I can fool the SG border control with my Dutch passport? Any advice is welcome!!!

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Postby Plavt » Tue, 17 Aug 2010 5:31 am

You have big problems; since your place of birth is stated on your passport then you sir are going to get caught for sure. Not only will you be arrested, you will be thrown in jail and will have to serve your NS. See posts by sundaymorningstaple and Mad Scientist who have posted plenty regarding this issue.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Tue, 17 Aug 2010 6:33 am

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Postby weihungchew88 » Tue, 17 Aug 2010 7:06 am

@Plavt: Thanks for your usefull reply, but my birthplace is somewhere in the Netherlands....

@ Mad scientist: I am not the same person, but your help would be greatly appriciated!

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Postby Mad Scientist » Tue, 17 Aug 2010 7:15 am

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Postby Plavt » Tue, 17 Aug 2010 7:52 am

weihungchew88 wrote:@Plavt: Thanks for your usefull reply, but my birthplace is somewhere in the Netherlands....





You have a Dutch passport which states your birthplace as being somewhere in the Netherlands? That means your a Dutch national but you are telling us otherwise! Is this some kind of wind up? :???: :???:

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 17 Aug 2010 9:09 am

Plavt, it is no different than being born in Singapore if both parents are Indonesian citizens. The child will be Indonesian, not Singaporean. The fact that the child was born in a particular country doesn't necessarily mean that the child will gain jus soli citizenship.
Dutch nationality law is based primarily on the principle of Jus sanguinis and is governed by the Kingdom law regarding Dutch citizenship (Dutch: Rijkswet op het Nederlanderschap). Thus citizenship is conferred primarily by birth to a Dutch parent, irrespective of place of birth. Children born in the Netherlands to two foreign parents do not acquire Dutch citizenship at birth, unless special criteria are met.


Under this situation, I think the OP would most probably not be stopped UNLESS the new database if fully operational. I am assuming that the OP still has his original birth name as when his birth was registered with the Singapore Government prior to his taking up Dutch Citizenship (the assumption here is that he as taken up dutch citizenship but not renounced Singaporean citizenship which, obvious he cannot do hence this whole exercise). With a foreign birth and passport, the only link is his age and name, which, as a male citizen is probably less than a dozen at best who have not yet reported or registered for NS (and have not turned up as deceased on the records either that is - based on his DOB & ethnicity). Would they check a young male Chinese with a Dutch Passport and a Dutch place of birth? I don't know. Might depend on how busy they are at any given time. Interesting to say the least. They have the capabilities, but whether or not they always use them is another story.

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Postby Plavt » Tue, 17 Aug 2010 3:07 pm

Come to think of it they needn't go to the database immediately, what matters is what the OP's nationality is listed as which must be Singaporean from what I gather here. That will be the 'trigger' for the officials to refer to the database - maybe that explains why immigration officials in Singapore look so intently at passports or appear to.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 17 Aug 2010 5:04 pm

Plavt, if he is carrying a Netherlands passport, his nationality would be listed as Dutch don't you think? I doubt he would be waving a Singapore flag under the circumstances. :wink:

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Postby Plavt » Tue, 17 Aug 2010 6:36 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Plavt, if he is carrying a Netherlands passport, his nationality would be listed as Dutch don't you think? I doubt he would be waving a Singapore flag under the circumstances. :wink:



That's what I thought in the first place so why would they bother checking to see if a Dutch national was ever a Singaporean? By the way you should have a good look at your own postings which contradict each other (looks like the Jack Daniels is still having an effect). :tongue: I am not sure the database is going to tell them very much since as you know as well as I do there are good many Singporeans with exactly the same name! The only possibility is if they were note who is next of kin are and their address if of course it is the same as when he left but I don't know if the authorities would be that intrusive or not on the other hand I don't suppose anyone really knows what information is in the database.

You might like to know it is possible to some degree to acquire a passport of another country without citizenship e.g. immigrants to Canada with family ties but whether that is still possible I don't know.
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Postby weihungchew88 » Tue, 17 Aug 2010 6:43 pm

Thanks again for all your help and I do appreciate that. I am heading to the airport right now to catch my flight to Changi. I will keep you guys posted!

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:48 pm

Plavt wrote:I am not sure the database is going to tell them very much since as you know as well as I do there are good many Singporeans with exactly the same name! The only possibility is if they were note who is next of kin are and their address if of course it is the same as when he left but I don't know if the authorities would be that intrusive or not on the other hand I don't suppose anyone really knows what information is in the database.


I wonder how many Singaporean males of Chinese ethnicity were born on a given day in a given year and were given the same name in Singapore? That would not have yet registered for NS at 16.5 years of age? The question to me is would they bother to even check at all. Unless, of course, they filled the disembarkation card with a residential address instead of the Hotel Address as their place of abode while in Singapore. That might raise enough of an eyebrow to have a look if they were bored at the immigration counter.

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Postby Plavt » Wed, 18 Aug 2010 6:11 am

Mad Scientist wrote:I really do not understand why take the risk :???:


This is what has had me wondering from the start and still find it hard to think this is not some kind of wind up. Seems real strange somebody should ask for advice here and then still proceed to board the plane if of course he did, we might never know the truth..........

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Postby FaeLLe » Fri, 15 Oct 2010 4:09 pm

weihungchew88 wrote:Thanks again for all your help and I do appreciate that. I am heading to the airport right now to catch my flight to Changi. I will keep you guys posted!


So did you get out of SG........ no response in 30 days of this post will mean you have been screwed by the gahmen!!!


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