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Visa extension requirement of sponsor & vacation ?

Postby singasong » Sun, 15 Aug 2010 9:54 pm

Hi,
I will need to go to ICA tomorrow to figure out whether I can extend my 30 days STVP (I am stuck with after my last employment was terminated) as I have now applied for a new EP pass (as well as a LTSVP). I wanted to do it online, but on the webpage it says that it is a precondition that:
"You will not return to Singapore within 5 days from the departure date of your current trip."
Having planned a 4 day weekend trip to Perth I am not exactly falling under this condition, that 's why I thought I better go there and check it out.

Now I was told that if I applied at the ICA in person I must bring a sponsor - is that true? I figured that the following sentence is a "maybe", depending on the case:
"You may be required to call in person together with your local sponsor at Visitor Services Centre (VSC), 4th Storey, ICA Building"
or does it mean if am required to call in in person I need to bring a sponsor?

I will let you know if I learn anything new, but it would be great to receive a response today, as I might then finally get some sleep...

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Re: Visa extension requirement of sponsor & vacation ?

Postby Mad Scientist » Mon, 16 Aug 2010 6:37 am

singasong wrote:Hi,
I will need to go to ICA tomorrow to figure out whether I can extend my 30 days STVP (I am stuck with after my last employment was terminated) as I have now applied for a new EP pass (as well as a LTSVP). I wanted to do it online, but on the webpage it says that it is a precondition that:

Have you been here more than 90 days ?


"You will not return to Singapore within 5 days from the departure date of your current trip."
Having planned a 4 day weekend trip to Perth I am not exactly falling under this condition, that 's why I thought I better go there and check it out.

Now I was told that if I applied at the ICA in person I must bring a sponsor - is that true? I figured that the following sentence is a "maybe", depending on the case:
"You may be required to call in person together with your local sponsor at Visitor Services Centre (VSC), 4th Storey, ICA Building"
or does it mean if am required to call in in person I need to bring a sponsor?

If you can have the contact name, IC number address of the person that is going to sponsor you will be enough. HE or SHE must be a Sger or SPR. They will call your sponsor to verify
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Postby singasong » Mon, 16 Aug 2010 7:41 am

Thankyou Mad Scientist, and Good Morning!

from my last point of entry I have not yet stayed 90 days (that's what I get as a tourist from Germany), but I had to hand over my DE card to my employer. Can I still rely on this original tourist visum?
(but I live in SG since more than a year now)

A sponsor is therefore necessary indeed?
If you apply oline they do not mention this necessity at all on their webbage:
https://www.psi.gov.sg/NASApp/tmf/TMFSe ... elcomePage

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Postby Mad Scientist » Mon, 16 Aug 2010 8:05 am

singasong wrote:Thankyou Mad Scientist, and Good Morning!

from my last point of entry I have not yet stayed 90 days (that's what I get as a tourist from Germany), but I had to hand over my DE card to my employer. Can I still rely on this original tourist visum?
(but I live in SG since more than a year now)

Your EP has been terminated yes ? Hence you need a social visit pass to stay . If you are from DE , you should be able to get 90 days visa. Go to ICA will be best. If the front counter tells you you need a sponsor, then you need one

A sponsor is therefore necessary indeed?
If you apply oline they do not mention this necessity at all on their webbage:
https://www.psi.gov.sg/NASApp/tmf/TMFSe ... elcomePage

Go to this website will be best
It all depends whether where you are coming from requires a visa or not. Try the online first will be easier rather going to Kallang
http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=101


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Postby singasong » Mon, 16 Aug 2010 9:26 am

That's as much as I had figured, but it seems that I cannot apply online as I intend to go to Australia at the 25th and to return at the 30th. So I do not qualify for online application, as I will return "within 5 days".
That's why I am asking the experts. (The rest is rather straight forward, except the question whether you need a sponsor or not...) Guess I will have to spend the rest of the day at Kallang...

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IMPORTANT INFORMATION

Postby singasong » Mon, 16 Aug 2010 5:18 pm

"Your EP has been terminated yes ? Hence you need a social visit pass to stay ."

It's only now that I understand that the 30 day "Visit Pass and Embarkation Form" I received from my last employer does NOT COUNT as SOCIAL VISIT PASS. Hence this is NOT extendable either! (There is actually misleading info at another expat page in the web, wherein that was stated wrongly.)

"If you are from DE , you should be able to get 90 days visa."

Maybe, if I leave the counrtry first.
"If you can have the contact name, IC number address of the person that is going to sponsor you will be enough. HE or SHE must be a Sger or SPR. They will call your sponsor to verify."

BIG SIGNS everywhere at ICA 4th floor "LOCAL SPONSOR HAS TO BE PRESENT"!

The ICA officer at the counter basically sent me back home immediately, when she figured that I didn't have a sponsor with me and had apparently no social visit pass; and also the officer in the interview (I was pressing for) made it clear, that I am expected to leave Singapore (after termination of employment pass) and re-enter. (I asked whether that is legal (i.e. it is basically a visa run; and she said if you get your stamp in the passport it is legal.)

The fact that I had applied for a new EP pass as wel as a LTSVP wouldn't be their business, but the MOMs. y the way, the ICA officer called the LTSVP under common-law-spouse scheme a dependant's pass. It didn't help that it wasn't showing in the system yet, I suppose, I only carried the Ep application to the Post office at Saturday.)
I am sure I had read somewhere that you can apply for extension while waiting for your approval of such pass, but apparently only if you are here with tourist visa or social visit pass holder.

AND I was told I cannot apply for a social visit pass at the ICA because they have no scheme for a common law spouse of a foreigner ! (PEP holder).

When you study the back page of FORM 14 you are even expected to sign, that you are not seeking for another pass, during your social visit stay!

Now I am forced to go shopping at JB ! but I am dead scared that I cannot get back in, and who is collecting my son from childcare then?

AARGH, if only a flight back to Europe wouldn't be so expensive (I also have to take my 5 year old), his dad is in the states on business trip right now.

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Re: IMPORTANT INFORMATION

Postby singaporeflyer » Mon, 16 Aug 2010 5:35 pm

singasong wrote:"Your EP has been terminated yes ? Hence you need a social visit pass to stay ."

It's only now that I understand that the 30 day "Visit Pass and Embarkation Form" I received from my last employer does NOT COUNT as SOCIAL VISIT PASS. Hence this is NOT extendable either! (There is actually misleading info at another expat page in the web, wherein that was stated wrongly.)

"If you are from DE , you should be able to get 90 days visa."

Maybe, if I leave the counrtry first.
"If you can have the contact name, IC number address of the person that is going to sponsor you will be enough. HE or SHE must be a Sger or SPR. They will call your sponsor to verify."

BIG SIGNS everywhere at ICA 4th floor "LOCAL SPONSOR HAS TO BE PRESENT"!

The ICA officer at the counter basically sent me back home immediately, when she figured that I didn't have a sponsor with me and had apparently no social visit pass; and also the officer in the interview (I was pressing for) made it clear, that I am expected to leave Singapore (after termination of employment pass) and re-enter. (I asked whether that is legal (i.e. it is basically a visa run; and she said if you get your stamp in the passport it is legal.)

The fact that I had applied for a new EP pass as wel as a LTSVP wouldn't be their business, but the MOMs. y the way, the ICA officer called the LTSVP under common-law-spouse scheme a dependant's pass. It didn't help that it wasn't showing in the system yet, I suppose, I only carried the Ep application to the Post office at Saturday.)
I am sure I had read somewhere that you can apply for extension while waiting for your approval of such pass, but apparently only if you are here with tourist visa or social visit pass holder.

AND I was told I cannot apply for a social visit pass at the ICA because they have no scheme for a common law spouse of a foreigner ! (PEP holder).

When you study the back page of FORM 14 you are even expected to sign, that you are not seeking for another pass, during your social visit stay!

Now I am forced to go shopping at JB ! but I am dead scared that I cannot get back in, and who is collecting my son from childcare then?

AARGH, if only a flight back to Europe wouldn't be so expensive (I also have to take my 5 year old), his dad is in the states on business trip right now.


PM SMS or MS or Saint immediately. They should be able to advise you.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 16 Aug 2010 5:41 pm

Shame I didn't see this one earlier.

Anytime you come off of an Employment Pass with no fresh application for a new one, regardless of what class it may be, unless it is because of gaining PR, you will have to leave Singapore and it is not extendable. Usually this is a 30 day pass ONLY regardless of where you are originally from. The only exceptions being if you have just arrived in Singapore and have a pending application with MOM.

Short Term Visit Pass
A 30-day Short Term Visit Pass will be issued upon cancellation of the Employment Pass. An extension of the Short Term Visit Pass may be requested under the following circumstances:

* If the foreigner has submitted a new pass application with MOM after pass cancellation and the outcome of the outcome of your new pass application is pending; or
* If the foreigner has been granted a Short Term Visit Pass by the Immigration and Checkpoints Authority of Singapore upon arrival in Singapore and has a pending application with MOM.

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Postby singasong » Mon, 16 Aug 2010 6:17 pm

Hi sms,
I had seen that text and it is exactly that which I find misleading:
it gives 2 conditions with an "or" connection. Hence fulfilling one of the conditions should be sufficient.
I have a new EP application pending
(well, I took it to the post last Sat, maybe that's different??),
so I figured I would qualify for an extension and was rather relaxed,
until I heard today that this is not the case. Wher is my misinterpretation?

The ICA officer was not at all interested in a receipt or payslip from the post office or copy of said EP application.

And what now? Is there someone at the MOM who could grant me an extension of stay? Or is their extension only relatedto extension of work passes and the like?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 16 Aug 2010 9:27 pm

If you made a manual application, it won't be in the system for approximately 5 to 7 days. Therefore in their eyes, you have not yet made application. That's why it's so important to do everything via online applications now. Same with tax clearance. Manual clearance can take up to 30 days while online will be done in a maximum of 14 days. There isn't any real ambiguity at all. Submission to the post office is not a timely application. The application isn't pending until it is entered into MOM's system.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 16 Aug 2010 9:31 pm

They will not grant an extension under the circumstances, but maybe, just maybe, if using the child as a prybar they might give you three days to clear the country. I'm unsure why you waited to the last minute and gambled especially considering you have a young child to think about as well. But, as I said, maybe you can give them enough of a sob story to get a couple of days. Otherwise, be prepared to possibly pay a fine and still be made to leave the country as a overstayer. At this point I really don't know as I have not anecdotal evidence of something like this happening before (with a child here that is).

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Postby singasong » Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:41 pm

Dear sms,

I don't know what experiences you made through your life to give you this rather zynical view on others, but I can reassure you, this was not a gamble:

I received my Visit and Embarkation pass stating that I am allowed to stay until the 20th only at Tuesday the 27th as e-mail attachement. When I figured out that I had to ask my pertner's company to apply for a Long Term Visit Pass for me now. I checked that I needed a certificate from the Embassy. The embassy needed a certificate from my partner's employer. The secretary was on vacation. Finally I was at the embassy at the 6th. I received my certificate at the 10th. That day I handed it over to the company's secretary to file the application. Next day I was asked to come for an interview. That same evening I had the job offer. At the 13th I went into the office to apply for EP pass via EP online - which didn't work. Frustrated I applied manually then and posted the applcation at the 14th.
I really don't see that this is "gambling". I was worried first, but when I saw the text that you can apply for extension while you are waiting for approval of your pass, (and via e-extend it's apparently so easy) I was relieved. All sorted I thought. Who can assume that you are treated like shit, only because some arrogant employer was laying you off, by doing so you are basically kicked out of the country, unless you magically find a new job within no time and file an EP online application within 2 weeks.
That's not realistic, also not when you are a highly qualified and specialised consultant, with PhD.
The fact that I am also a mother of a child of 5 obviously means that the time I can invest daily into searching for a new job and trying to get through the jungle of Singapore immigration politics is limited.

I don't see me overstaying, if we need to leave, well so be it.

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Postby singaporeflyer » Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:01 pm

singasong wrote:Dear sms,

I don't know what experiences you made through your life to give you this rather zynical view on others, but I can reassure you, this was not a gamble:

I received my Visit and Embarkation pass stating that I am allowed to stay until the 20th only at Tuesday the 27th as e-mail attachement. When I figured out that I had to ask my pertner's company to apply for a Long Term Visit Pass for me now. I checked that I needed a certificate from the Embassy. The embassy needed a certificate from my partner's employer. The secretary was on vacation. Finally I was at the embassy at the 6th. I received my certificate at the 10th. That day I handed it over to the company's secretary to file the application. Next day I was asked to come for an interview. That same evening I had the job offer. At the 13th I went into the office to apply for EP pass via EP online - which didn't work. Frustrated I applied manually then and posted the applcation at the 14th.
I really don't see that this is "gambling". I was worried first, but when I saw the text that you can apply for extension while you are waiting for approval of your pass, (and via e-extend it's apparently so easy) I was relieved. All sorted I thought. Who can assume that you are treated like shit, only because some arrogant employer was laying you off, by doing so you are basically kicked out of the country, unless you magically find a new job within no time and file an EP online application within 2 weeks.
That's not realistic, also not when you are a highly qualified and specialised consultant, with PhD.
The fact that I am also a mother of a child of 5 obviously means that the time I can invest daily into searching for a new job and trying to get through the jungle of Singapore immigration politics is limited.

I don't see me overstaying, if we need to leave, well so be it.


SMS,
Pls advise if this way would help

Can the OP's employer submit an EP Online Application which would mean that her EP would have the status as Pending and with this status she can seek an SVP from ICA since her application status is pending?

Please advise.

OP, this is just an thought. Please wait for SMS or Saint or MS to approve before you proceed with this way. I am very junior and they know better than me

But will this duplicate EP application through EP Online cause any problems? I am not sure..

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 17 Aug 2010 1:11 am

I had a very long reply but deleted it as I see she is all over the board and I am not going to try to chase down and reply everywhere there is a dropping. Good luck and zynical is actually cynical and I'm neither.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Tue, 17 Aug 2010 6:10 am

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This is what we get when trying to help others. Thankful note hard to come by, gratitude even rarer, the worse part we do it for NOTHING !!

What do we get in return, abuse, blame and worse of all insults.

My bad, I gave her the wrong info because the info she wrote was damned confusing, but after what went down between you and her, I will reserve my comments on her.

@singasong ; I apologise for my wrong info to you. Please understand we are here trying to help. We do not get anything in return. SMS, many others here including myself tried very hard to point to the right direction on many issues that were raised from the forumers. We are not perfect, we especially myself do makes mistakes. Please remember we provide info based on what was written by forumers. Most of the time, the info written has to be decipher by us as the one raising the questions did not give full information on their predicament. Worse of all they post the same or similar questions on different thread resulting in different advises given.
We are not paid for our work so instead of you coming here blaming us for your predicament , please look into mirror and ask yourself, why did you raised this issue to us all when you know this issue should have been solved or raised weeks ago. We do not represent the Gahmen, what we know we shared with all the forumers here. We tried to be as accurate as possible but if we do not get the whole picture in the first place, please don't blame us. If you are not happy take it somewhere else as we have tried our best to help you.
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