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OMG how could he!

Postby ksl » Sat, 14 Aug 2010 3:51 pm

I'm totally against this idea! What the hell is he thinking, no commonsense at all


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10973459

I have nothing at all against the muslim community, and i am pretty sure they understand the concern of the implications.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pat-c ... rised.html

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Postby poodlek » Sat, 14 Aug 2010 4:42 pm

Seriously dude? I turned that video off at the point he said "...and the religion that murdered them..." in reference to the people that perished in the World Trade Center attacks. Islam didn't murder those people, a bunch of crazy f**ktards did. And it isn't as if the proximity to "Ground Zero" is the issue here, if we really want to be honest about it, since people are and have been opposing the building of mosques all over the USA for years. It's religious discrimination, which is expressly opposed in the USA constitution. I can't see how anyone could step in to stop the building of this mosque without impinging on the right protected in that constitutional amendment.

Why stir up more hatred than already exists?? I went back and watched the rest of that video but it really is hard to stomach all the hateful things that guy is pushing about Islam. You said you have nothing against Muslims, but why would you post such a thing? He clearly has no problem lumping every single follower of this 'political ideology' into one group and denying that it's even a religion. How is that not against Muslims?

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Postby x9200 » Sat, 14 Aug 2010 8:47 pm

Poodlek, I entirely agree with you but I also think it is pretty insensitive to propose to build a mosque near such place. I do not know the story behind, why it was located there, but IMHO it shows that whoever suggested or insisted on this location did not really care about those who where affected. It is all true that it has not really much to do with Islam but it shows disrespect to the peoples feelings. Obama is right but the proposers are not and it has nothing to do with religion.

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Postby ksl » Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:01 am

Poodleck:but why would you post such a thing?


I posted it because when i saw it, i found it quite bizarre and insensitive both video's and you are correct its not about Muslims, it's about extremists and you find them in all societies!

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Postby ledlauzis » Sun, 15 Aug 2010 6:46 pm

ksl wrote:
Poodleck:but why would you post such a thing?


I posted it because when i saw it, i found it quite bizarre and insensitive both video's and you are correct its not about Muslims, it's about extremists and you find them in all societies!


There is so many places in NY where you can build Muslim temple but why exactly that place?

Well I am not against the religions, but it is some kind of sarcastic thing to do.
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Postby durain » Sun, 15 Aug 2010 7:31 pm

how about building more synagogues in KL, tehran, mogadishu or kabul?

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Postby nakatago » Sun, 15 Aug 2010 7:46 pm

durain wrote:how about building more synagogues in KL, tehran, mogadishu or kabul?


http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episod ... on-bateman (fast forward to 2:45)

because america is supposed to be better than them....

...though the fundies are starting to get really scary and no better than the jihadists.

admittedly building the cultural center so close to ground zero does sound imprudent.

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Postby road.not.taken » Sun, 15 Aug 2010 8:05 pm

durain wrote:how about building more synagogues in KL, tehran, mogadishu or kabul?


Great idea, but in the mean time the US shouldn't be looking to Malaysia, Iran, Somalia, Afghanistan etc.. as examples of religious tolerance, or regimes we wish to emulate.

We already have the freedom of religion guaranteed to all our citizens by the First Amendment. I think it's exactly what should happen, what better way to show the world that our Constitution is sacred to us and we take it seriously.

The cultural center is not being built on the site of ground zero, it's 2 blocks away on the site of a schlocky old discount store.

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Postby Plavt » Sun, 15 Aug 2010 8:48 pm

Mosques aren't the problem, people are. The people who carried out the atrocities just happened to be Muslims. Hopefully people will realize most Muslims are law abiding. Not long after the atrocities, funds to mosques dropped considerably owing the shame and horror felt by the many Muslims that money they had contributed might or could have been used in such a way.

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Postby nakatago » Sun, 15 Aug 2010 9:10 pm

a lot of people are mixing up the millions of peaceful, devout followers of the prophet mohammed with several violent, cave-dwelling, medieval-thinking, xenophobic, racist, misogynistic, homicidal followers of that crazy poor excuse of a man osama bin laden.

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Postby ksl » Sun, 15 Aug 2010 10:46 pm

Constitution is sacred
And death isn't?

I'm not even American, though i feel deeply for the tragedy, I also feel that the ground has been desecrated by mass murder and it should not be polluted by so called religious symbolism of any kind!

What as happened as happened, the area should be a no go area for any kind of money making marketing and branding ideas, its sacred ground and to kick start competition in the area at the expense of those that have suffered is a sick idea. Put a Mosque there and the next religion will want their symbol twice as high, its common sense that the phallic symbol syndrome will start!

So better to stop it before it even starts! Peoples choice and my money is on the people stopping it constitution or not, that's my final opinion on this matter.

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Postby road.not.taken » Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:03 pm

Death... Sacred??

Hmmm.... Let's see, the Dutch probably buried more than a few citizens there well before it was American, and the British too and the Lenapes before them. All buried sons and daughters there. 'Desecration' as you call it in not new to the island of Manhattan.

So your argument is to preserve the memory of the fallen by breaking the First Amendment? Well, congrats, that would be quite a victory to the fanatics and zealots.

Were churches ever built on the site of Klan rallies or lynchings? Of course they were.

The site of the World TRADE Center should be a 'no go' for money making???? (I'm not even sure why money is coming up in this argument...) It was targeted because it was a symbol of capitalism! It's in the FINANCIAL district, Wall St is a few blocks away. Making money is what they.

This issue is black & white in my opinion ~ you're either in favor of religious freedom or you're a Koran-burner. To think otherwise is not to see the big picture. There's really no in-between.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:16 pm

The only real problem I have with it is that there is already a mosque there and has been there for 40 years and it's only 4 blocks from "ground zero". So why do they need to build ANOTHER that even the current mosque is distancing itself from with a disclaimer on their site. This mosque has been in operation since 1970.

http://www.masjidmanhattan.com/

So, frankly, we are being shafted by our own constitution and because of that constitution, the perpetrators of 9/11 can rub our noses in it for eternity, what they did to us, and we can't do anything about it. Especially seeing we have a muslim president who can't help but try to help his brothers in their quest to overthrown the country. One can only hope, that if it gets built, that somebody builds strip joints & pork rib restaurants all around it. It would serve them right for their gross insensitivity if it wasn't being done deliberately. But requesting permission to have their grand opening on the 10th anniversary of 9/11, well, if their is a god, and I seriously doubt it, may his retribution smite them down. It's funny in a way. Before the elections, most were afraid of what might happen with a black president, little knowing that it wasn't his blackness that needed to be watched, but his radical muslim side. His affair with the Rev in Chicago was nothing but a smokescreen.

Obviously, the moderate muslims of the US aren't as moderate as they would have you to believe either, else they wouldn't stand for a symbol of a radical minority being erected within eyesight of ground zero either.

edited 18/08: to remove the only bit that shouldn't have been there. :wink:
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Postby nakatago » Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:51 pm

SMS's mouth-frothing aside, the only problem with the islamic community center is that there's already a mosque nearby. sure, the people have the right to build their CC but they're not really helping earn sympathy with the vicinity of ground zero being such a sensitive site. if they have any empathy with them, they'll forgo construction just to ease the tension.

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Postby Strong Eagle » Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:53 pm

ledlauzis wrote:
ksl wrote:
Poodleck:but why would you post such a thing?


I posted it because when i saw it, i found it quite bizarre and insensitive both video's and you are correct its not about Muslims, it's about extremists and you find them in all societies!


There is so many places in NY where you can build Muslim temple but why exactly that place?

Well I am not against the religions, but it is some kind of sarcastic thing to do.


There are already two mosques within 4 blocks of ground zero. They have been there for decades. One has decided to expand, due to packed Saturday meetings.. What the hell is the deal?


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