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Chances of getting EP

Postby The Rock » Mon, 09 Aug 2010 10:01 pm

Dear All,

One month ago I did not know about the Singapore Immigration system. Now I have job offer from leading consultancies of World (more than 10,000 employees all over the world and about 180 staff in Singapore) who has its branch Office in Singapore. They offered me 06 months contract with salary near to 7k. I possess a degree in field of civil engineering from a former state of Russia. My univeristy is recognised by UK NARIC. I have total 10 years of experience out of which half is relevant to the job description. I have already worked with this Company in another its branch in Pakistan. I want to know what is the chances to get EP for me. As foras citeria is concerned ,I fulfil all criteria but after going through the forum I am afraid that may be I will be refused?
The job for which they hired belongs to very specific field of civil engineering (Hydropower) and by going through all the web sites found that it is very rare to find a local graduate with similar experience.

I did not get the NARIC Accreditation Letter. Should I get it?
Any guy who is from construction agency kindly let me know about the market of Hydropower Engineering in Singapore.

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Re: Chances of getting EP

Postby The Rock » Tue, 10 Aug 2010 2:32 pm

[quote="The Rock"]Dear All,

Hi can anybody reply me?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 10 Aug 2010 3:04 pm

By going through all the web sites, you find it very rare to find a local? What web sites prey tell? :roll:

You have got as much chance as anybody from pakistan with a russian degree. Apply. If you get it, great, if you don't, don't be surprised. Best thing I can tell you at the moment is not to quit your day job and don't put all your eggs into one basket.

But, go ahead at apply. You might get lucky.

What I would suggest is that you put your particulars in the MOM website EPEC qualifier to see if "Singapore" recognizes your degree. (They really don't care about what other country's want to recognize). If you qualify, you are half the way there. Then, only the employer has to justify the reason for wanting to hire a foreigner.

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Postby morenangpinay » Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:36 am

you need all the certificates you can get..they prefer more documents. As for the chances, we cant guarantee anything.

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Postby singaporeflyer » Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:59 am

morenangpinay wrote:you need all the certificates you can get..they prefer more documents. As for the chances, we cant guarantee anything.


You will not be able to specify any details of your certifications if your employer applies EP for you through EP online. So it is mostly your education, work experience, work experience in SG (Past) and your basic salary that counts a lot.

Please correct me if I am wrong

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Postby morenangpinay » Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:12 am

singaporeflyer wrote:
morenangpinay wrote:you need all the certificates you can get..they prefer more documents. As for the chances, we cant guarantee anything.


You will not be able to specify any details of your certifications if your employer applies EP for you through EP online. So it is mostly your education, work experience, work experience in SG (Past) and your basic salary that counts a lot.

Please correct me if I am wrong


Im thinking of ep manual applications. But as a precaution, you should bring all your certificates for future reference. If he gets rejected in his ep online application, you can submit the certificates to appeal the case.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:27 pm

Appealing a rejection, just because you think you should have been given a pass, is a total waste of time. As it is your basic qualifications, e.g., university degree and experience that will get you the job (provided which, there are not sufficient locals to do the job), unless you can add something new "that is relevant" to that particular job, then you are wasting your time by appealing.

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Postby The Rock » Sat, 14 Aug 2010 7:04 pm

Thank all of you of your replies.

Regarding local candidates I can tall you that the qualification I got is very rare and no university in Singapore does not teach this degree.

As MOM website states that "MOM recognises qualifications from institutions that are of comparable and equivalent standards to those in the sample list"

I have question regarding recognised universities. As my university is not listed in MOM sample list then how MOM does recognise the university/degree?

Secondly MOM website states the following
Submission of Supporting Documents
Companies are no longer required to fax relevant supporting documents to the Work Pass Division for new Employment Pass applications submitted via EP Online. In some cases, we may require the applicant to furnish documents when the application is still under review.

My question is here if MOM does not see the certificates or supporting documents as per above quote from MOM website then how MOM grant an EP pass or reject the EP pass?

And finally will there be any benefit to applicant who has already worked with same employer but in another country

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 14 Aug 2010 8:28 pm

The Rock wrote:Thank all of you of your replies.

Regarding local candidates I can tall you that the qualification I got is very rare and no university in Singapore does not teach this degree.

So you are saying that all universities teach this degree?!? :-|

As MOM website states that "MOM recognises qualifications from institutions that are of comparable and equivalent standards to those in the sample list"

I have question regarding recognised universities. As my university is not listed in MOM sample list then how MOM does recognise the university/degree?

As the list is constantly being upgraded, some uni's are added and other are taken away as they find out the quality of graduates leaves something to be desired. If your uni isn't listed, it probably will not qualify. This is especially so if you are from a third world country.


Secondly MOM website states the following
Submission of Supporting Documents
Companies are no longer required to fax relevant supporting documents to the Work Pass Division for new Employment Pass applications submitted via EP Online. In some cases, we may require the applicant to furnish documents when the application is still under review.

My question is here if MOM does not see the certificates or supporting documents as per above quote from MOM website then how MOM grant an EP pass or reject the EP pass?

They have teams all over the world, either made up of Singaporeans working for MOM or subcontracted by MOM to vet directly with the university/college the information that has been furnished by they applicant. This way, it tends to weed out all the bogus, fraudulent, counterfeit degrees that get submitted to MOM every year. This is why is often take quite a few months to get an approval or rejection. Lots of 3rd world countries university records are not digitized so it can take quite a bit of time getting the answers. If they want to see your degree & transcripts, they will ask you to attach them to the email that the send you or they will give you a link to use to upload scans of them. Or, they may request that you bring them to the final interview for inspection.

And finally will there be any benefit to applicant who has already worked with same employer but in another country

Some, but not a guarantee.

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Postby The Rock » Sat, 14 Aug 2010 9:52 pm

Hi SMS thankyou for quick reply.
I wanted to say that no Singaporean University teach the my degree course so I think that problems of local expert will be not an issue.

I got my degree from the country which is not a third world country but an eastern eruopean second world country. As far as recognition of university of this country is concerned I would like to say that one of the top university of Singapore has student exchange agreement with one of the university of this eastern europe country since 2008. The students of this university get jobs in Silicon valley very often.
I got degree from the university where 28,000 ful time students study in 15 different faculities.

If a university is not recognised then how much time will MOM take to reject the PE pass application? One hour, one day or two days? As per your reply it should be rejected straight away.

Anyhow, I have the conclusion from the discussion that the univesities which are not enlisted in sample list for EP pass also have good chances if they are not two room universities as in UK, Nigeria night shift universities etc.


SMS kindly, correct me if I am not right.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:22 pm

Did you know that there is only ONE DDS degree (Dr of Dental Surgery) in all of Asia that is recognized by the Singapore Medical Fraternity (it's in Hong Kong). There are absolutely NONE recognized from India, Pakistan, Malaysia, Myanmar, Vietnam, China, Taiwan, yadda, yadda, yadda. Also, very few eastern european universities are recognized as well. Why? I don't profess to know.

Are you right? Are you wrong? Doesn't matter to me. You will know when you either get approved or rejected. Right?

I don't have a crystal ball and MOM is changing their stance daily as we speak. It's all in a state of flux. There was a Western P1 application recently rejected (from a first world country with a 1st world degree). Who knows?

Just keep you fingers crossed.


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