Singapore Expats

Marry to get DP for EU girlfriend - Before or after coming??

Moving to Singapore? Ask our regular expats in Singapore questions on relocation and their experience here. Ask about banking, employment pass, insurance, visa, work permit, citizenship or immigration issues.
Post Reply
User avatar
JR8
Immortal
Immortal
Posts: 16522
Joined: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:43 pm
Location: K. Puki Manis

Re: Marry to get DP for EU girlfriend - Before or after comi

Post by JR8 » Fri, 13 Aug 2010 3:05 pm

adione wrote:
Mulherengo wrote:Hi Guys,
However, I also want to bring my girlfriend - We are not married and have not lived together.
I got the LTVP for my GF, have been living together and get some paper
but didn't really produced that to MOM, the only paper was the one from
my embassy (check the post quoted by Nakatago)

my opinion? all the guys here in the forum said good thing, btw
if your company is taking care of everything I assume you get a good package
and thus a well paid job, that will do the trick
[now they will revoke my pass for such a statement :D ]
Mulherengo wrote: The plan is to move (on 90 day visa), and then for her to
why u assume she will get a 90 days visa?
we were lucky, my GF got the 90 days tourist visa but u shouldn't take that
for granted, the normal tourist visa is 30 days only...
Some interesting points raised there. But I will leave it to those better qualified than me to make any observations.
A thought though. Problem with LTVP is you cannot work, which the OP suggested was the desired aim.
Another thought: the 'papers' that you got. Was that kind of certification/confirmation of your relationship from a Singapore Embassy? Not sure why MOM would be involved or concerned since she can't work anyway... surely only ICA.

p.s. Another observation made by the 'kitchen SGns' earlier this week, was that Australia (the SGn mission there) have just notarised a gay civil partnership for DP purposes (this was a first I believe)!

User avatar
adione
Regular
Regular
Posts: 73
Joined: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:04 am
Location: east

Re: Marry to get DP for EU girlfriend - Before or after comi

Post by adione » Fri, 13 Aug 2010 5:02 pm

JR8 wrote: A thought though. Problem with LTVP is you cannot work, which the OP suggested was the desired aim.
true, with LTVP you cannot get a job but you can apply for an EP once you find an employer and later on, in case you lost your job, you can re-aply for LTPV as many time as you need until the EP associated to that is valid
at least, that's what the girl at MoM counter told us.
JR8 wrote: Another thought: the 'papers' that you got. Was that kind of certification/confirmation of your relationship from a Singapore Embassy?
Nope, as I wrote, I got a simple declaration from my embassy stating that we were a de-facto couple and we have been living together and blah blah

User avatar
JR8
Immortal
Immortal
Posts: 16522
Joined: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:43 pm
Location: K. Puki Manis

Post by JR8 » Fri, 13 Aug 2010 5:38 pm

OIC... thx

I'm kinda raking over this, as I know it is a much studied question, and clarity will hopefully help several other people in the future...

User avatar
BigSis
Chatter
Chatter
Posts: 401
Joined: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 8:30 pm

Post by BigSis » Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:36 pm

We got married to come here - the difference was that we'd lived together for about 15 years and had 2 kids by that point, but I don't remember any questions being asked by the MOM about why we'd only just got married.


But you sound like you're not sure if you really want to get hitched so I would say that it's probably best if you don't. I have known quite a few people who've not been married and some have gone for the common-law partner option which someone told me you have to pay a fee for (not sure how correct that is) and some have gone for the LTSVP option.


If she wanted to work though, I would have thought that she could apply for jobs anyway - just as you'd be able to do if you were living abroad and hoping to come here. Assuming it was a fairly decent job, wouldn't the company sort her out an employment pass independently from the OP?

User avatar
Mad Scientist
Director
Director
Posts: 3544
Joined: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 6:31 am
Answers: 4
Location: TIMBUKTU

Post by Mad Scientist » Sat, 14 Aug 2010 2:33 am

BigSis wrote:We got married to come here - the difference was that we'd lived together for about 15 years and had 2 kids by that point, but I don't remember any questions being asked by the MOM about why we'd only just got married.
BigSis, can't you tell the diff. between yourself and OP. The common law marriage or de facto partner is very contentious. If you have kids prior to getting married, is enough to show MOM that you have been living together.
OP has to proof that. The proof is in the pudding and eating yourself.
Read the thread
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!

User avatar
BigSis
Chatter
Chatter
Posts: 401
Joined: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 8:30 pm

Post by BigSis » Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:11 am

of course I can see the difference, I even stated in my first sentence what the difference was :?

I also said that the OP didn't sound sure that they wanted to get hitched which is why I suggested that they didn't.

x9200
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 10073
Joined: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 4:06 pm
Location: Singapore

Post by x9200 » Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:44 am

BigSis wrote:say that it's probably best if you don't. I have known quite a few people who've not been married and some have gone for the common-law partner option which someone told me you have to pay a fee for (not sure how correct that is) and some have gone for the LTSVP option.

The fee paid to whom and for what? We followed the common-law route and the main and only true challenge was to prove we were not an incidental couple. No extra fees.

If she wanted to work though, I would have thought that she could apply for jobs anyway - just as you'd be able to do if you were living abroad and hoping to come here. Assuming it was a fairly decent job, wouldn't the company sort her out an employment pass independently from the OP?

If you mean the company might hire her, then sometimes it happens (I know such cases) but the obvious problem is that typically she would not fit to any of the position to justify her as the foreign talent and with the current political situation MOM will likely turn her down.
Yet another thing, from a single case only, I got an impression that MOM may be less likely to grant an independent EP for her if he is paid reasonably well.

User avatar
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 40470
Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 1:26 pm
Answers: 21
Location: Retired on the Little Red Dot

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 14 Aug 2010 12:29 pm

MOM would never used the main EP holder as a reason to reject the trailing spouse's EP application. Remember, it generates tax dollars and also add to the economy. However, the prospective employer would use that fact in order to try to eliminate some of the "perks" of hiring the expat spouse, e.g., no housing allowance, car, schooling fees, etc, etc.
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

x9200
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 10073
Joined: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 4:06 pm
Location: Singapore

Post by x9200 » Sat, 14 Aug 2010 9:17 pm

My thinking: If the position gives low income (that was the case, ~ SGD2k) then generation of the tax dollars and contribution to the economy is negligible.
It will not generate more spending if the spouse is already well paid but it occupies the position a local person (if such appear in one point) could take.
It was a position requiring pretty specific education and there was no institution in Singapore at that time providing such education. This was a well known fact so I assume MOM should'ev been aware of this. The EP was approved after the appeal.

Mulherengo
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 15
Joined: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 8:20 pm

Status - more questions!

Post by Mulherengo » Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:18 am

Hi Guys,

Thanks for all your comments!

Status
I have now finally gotten the "document" from the embassy stating that they recognize that we are in a long-term relationship, which in some legal aspects, can be compared to marriage.

Next steps

This is all very nice. Next step is then to apply for the proper visa. My HR department says they will apply for a dependant pass (DP), but based on the comments seems like this might not be the right one to apply for?

Secondly, I have also heard that there is a certain income threshold you need to meet in order to be able to apply for DP - around S$7500.

Is this right? If yes, would this only be the basic salary or also include housing / Transport allowance?

Cheers.

User avatar
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 40470
Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 1:26 pm
Answers: 21
Location: Retired on the Little Red Dot

Re: Status - more questions!

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:45 am

Mulherengo wrote:Hi Guys,

Thanks for all your comments!

Status
I have now finally gotten the "document" from the embassy stating that they recognize that we are in a long-term relationship, which in some legal aspects, can be compared to marriage.

Next steps

This is all very nice. Next step is then to apply for the proper visa. My HR department says they will apply for a dependant pass (DP), but based on the comments seems like this might not be the right one to apply for?

That is correct. You need to apply for an LTVP (Long Term Visit Pass)

Secondly, I have also heard that there is a certain income threshold you need to meet in order to be able to apply for DP - around S$7500.

The figure is 3,500 not 7,500 and you will be applying for an LTVP not DP. However, you must hold at least a P2 or P1 visa

http://www.mom.gov.sg/foreign-manpower/ ... fault.aspx

Is this right? If yes, would this only be the basic salary or also include housing / Transport allowance?

Only the Basic Salary in considered.

Cheers.
sms
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

Mulherengo
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 15
Joined: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 8:20 pm

Post by Mulherengo » Fri, 27 Aug 2010 2:23 pm

Thanks,

However, when I talk to my local HR department they tell me that "Only for certain country is is possible to use the Common Law's spouse certification." i.e. for DP application.

Is she way off?

p.s. I am an EP holder, and make more than 3500.

Cheers

User avatar
singaporeflyer
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 4310
Joined: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 9:49 am
Answers: 2

Post by singaporeflyer » Fri, 27 Aug 2010 2:53 pm

Mulherengo wrote:Thanks,

However, when I talk to my local HR department they tell me that "Only for certain country is is possible to use the Common Law's spouse certification." i.e. for DP application.

Is she way off?

p.s. I am an EP holder, and make more than 3500.

Cheers
You are making more than 3500 but are you on a P2 or P1 pass... Reason is sometimes even if salary is > 3500 MOM gives them Q1 pass. Just confirm your pass type

User avatar
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 40470
Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 1:26 pm
Answers: 21
Location: Retired on the Little Red Dot

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 27 Aug 2010 3:35 pm

In fact, I know of some S pass holders who make in excess of 4K/mo.
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

Mulherengo
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 15
Joined: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 8:20 pm

Post by Mulherengo » Sat, 28 Aug 2010 1:19 pm

Confirm, it a P2 EP. Cheers

Post Reply
  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “Relocating, Moving to Singapore”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests