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Postby x9200 » Fri, 16 Jul 2010 6:42 am

carteki wrote:According to the distributors, the act of copying the material onto another form of media is piracy.


They wish. At least in the European IP law you have typically clauses that you may refer to as a "private use" that allows you to do many things around with your legal copy. Think about recording anything form TV. From the legal point of view there is not much difference between doing it or copying something from CD. Have you ever heard about anybody being even prosecuted for recording anything from tv or radio?
What is disallowed and strictly reinforced is making such or any records broadcasted or distributed illegally. Not making the copies.
This is for everything except computer software where typically and explicitly it is said that duplicating is not allowed.

BTW, there have been some legal actions taken against some distributing companies that claimed on their CDs/DVDs that doing certain stuff is illegal while it was not illegal at all.

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Postby x9200 » Fri, 16 Jul 2010 6:49 am

nakatago wrote:also according to them, you're not buying the item; you're purchasing a license.

This is true. You are purchasing a license and a physical copy of the album (whatever) but the point is there is a governing law (a copyright act etc) that is always superior so the license can not restrict you from doing various things if this is not in line with the law.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Fri, 16 Jul 2010 7:51 am

OP

I disagree with Carteki. This more like being paranoid over something that is non issue. ICA custom will look for contraband or prohibited material like pornography etc. Media and songs are debatable. ICA offices are intelligent enough to understand and be fair
Please do not lose sleep over this
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Postby nakatago » Fri, 16 Jul 2010 8:25 am

Mad Scientist wrote:OP

I disagree with Carteki. This more like being paranoid over something that is non issue. ICA custom will look for contraband or prohibited material like pornography etc. Media and songs are debatable. ICA offices are intelligent enough to understand and be fair
Please do not lose sleep over this


I'd like to think that the customs officers' line of thought goes this way: "I got better things to look out for such as drugs and contraband than pirated Justin Bieber MP3s in some loser's iPod."

:P

However, the RIAA/MPAA thinks it is actually worth the trouble to do so not just in America but also the rest of the world. But that's expected, given most dinosaurs are not intelligent like ICA officers (as MS puts it).

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Postby x9200 » Fri, 16 Jul 2010 8:51 am

We are still talking about ripping CDs legally owned by the ripper, right? They have enough trouble to prove illegal what was downloaded for private use from the Internet so I simply do not see how could they do anything but harm themselves in much more questionable case.
I have to admit there is some legal difference between ripping unprotected and protected media but even here so far the effort was focused at best to target the producer of devices/software to allow doing it. Not the final user. If this is all so obvious as RIAA/MPAA claim why do we not see zillions of legal suits against ordinary users as practically everybody is doing it. Small exercise in this area surely would teach the lesson...if this really illegal. So what is the problem? Most people also tends to forget that the law has a deeply social connotations so this is not like a pure logic executed by literal word by word phrasing in some statues. It serves some social purposes and cannot be against them perceived as clearly unfair.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Mon, 19 Jul 2010 6:49 am

Have you guys gone thru the SG Woodland Checkpoint coming back from JB? If you go on foot or by bus, the ICA officers right after the immigration check point are so intelligent and eagle eyed that they can see and know the difference between a match box and a pack of chewing gum !!! :D
Many got caught , even their cigarrette packs are being inspected whether it is allowable based on number of sticks inside it. Damn , they are good !!
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