Does my spouse have to serve NS?

[Ferunk]

Hi there,

I'm a Singaporean citizen currently living in New Zealand. My fiance and I are intending to get married next year in NZ, and move to Singapore afterwards to live for a couple of years.

He is a NZ citizen and would like to apply for Singapore PR. From our research, there are several options we can follow:

- apply for PR on the basis of his being legally married to me
- go to Singapore on social visit pass and then he can apply for jobs and then get an Employment Pass

We have a few questions though, and was hoping someone out there might know the answer:

- If my fiance applies for PR through his marriage to me, does he have to serve NS? The ICA website says he will be "eligible" for NS but how seriously is that enforced?
- How long does a long term social visit pass last for?

Would be really keen to hear from anyone who has been through this experience. I'm really looking forward to going back home to Singapore after almost 5 years in gorgeous Middle Earth - really miss the food and the craziness of it all

Thanks!

[Colonel NS]

Yes, he will have to serve NS - he is just the sort of youg man my SAS patrol is looking for. We are always looking for competent map readers who can find their way in all weathers, esp in de 'middle earth'.

Kindly send his uniform size so I can fit him up for de 'jungle patrol' in Thailand.

Tell me, does he require de 'sneaker boots', or does he have his own?

Col NS

[Guest]

Ya!

Quite Richten!!!

(Sneakeren Bootsen)

R. Hess

[spencerz]

i have a few foreign friends who have decided to stay foot here.

being a 1st class(generation) p.r.
he is most likely not needed to go for ns.
but ur children will (if they are p.r. as well)

[jpatokal]

We have a few questions though, and was hoping someone out there might know the answer:
- If my fiance applies for PR through his marriage to me, does he have to serve NS? The ICA website says he will be "eligible" for NS but how seriously is that enforced?

You don't mention your fiance's age, but in theory he would have to do NS if he gets PR solely on the basis of being married to you. I say "in theory" mostly because I gather it's fairly difficult to get PR on this basis, and your hubby would probably have to go the traditional EP-then-PR route, in which case he is exempted from NS.

[Bafana]

Hi there,

I'm a Singaporean citizen currently living in New Zealand. My fiance and I are intending to get married next year in NZ, and move to Singapore afterwards to live for a couple of years.

He is a NZ citizen and would like to apply for Singapore PR. From our research, there are several options we can follow:

- apply for PR on the basis of his being legally married to me
- go to Singapore on social visit pass and then he can apply for jobs and then get an Employment Pass

We have a few questions though, and was hoping someone out there might know the answer:

- If my fiance applies for PR through his marriage to me, does he have to serve NS? The ICA website says he will be "eligible" for NS but how seriously is that enforced?
- How long does a long term social visit pass last for?

Would be really keen to hear from anyone who has been through this experience. I'm really looking forward to going back home to Singapore after almost 5 years in gorgeous Middle Earth - really miss the food and the craziness of it all

Thanks!

As far as I know he will not have to do NS unless he was a citizen before turnign 18 years old.

[Ferunk]

Hi there,

I wrote to MINDEF and got the reply below (btw, my fiance is 27 so definitely still fit to serve his "adopted" country if needed!!). I'm still confused because the policies all seem to contradict each other - like the immigration site definitely states that if you get your PR through marrying a Singapore woman then you will be "eligible" for NS. But then you have MINDEF policies below.

So... think I'll just print this out and keep it with us just in case the sh*t hits the fan and he gets some scary letter saying to register for BMT!

ANyway, thanks so much for all your help!!

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[chrisso]

Hi Fernuk

What is your email address. I am in a similar situation and wanted to have a direct link to you in order to share experiences.

My email is [email protected]

See ya

Chris

[spencerz]

yea. like i said before (:

all my friends tell me that.
dont understand why those other pple keep commenting otherwise.
if u dont know, or ya guessing. just say so in the end.

dont worry others for ur own entertainment.

[jpatokal]

You don't mention your fiance's age, but in theory he would have to do NS if he gets PR solely on the basis of being married to you. I say "in theory" mostly because I gather it's fairly difficult to get PR on this basis, and your hubby would probably have to go the traditional EP-then-PR route, in which case he is exempted from NS.

Correction! I got my own facts a little mixed above: the "NS in theory" applies only to 1st-generation citizens. A first-generation PR is never required to do NS, but his children are.

[Guest]

As a citizen, I think Spore is giving away PRs too easily. Foreigners who are within NSmen category, (reservists) should be liable for NS duties. Not full-time 2yrs but should be recalled to serve COS or COOK, CLERK, DRIVER duty...after all, the bloody British walked out on us when the Japs came. Would they fight for our country and protect their wives?

[jpatokal]

As a citizen, I think Spore is giving away PRs too easily. Foreigners who are within NSmen category, (reservists) should be liable for NS duties. Not full-time 2yrs but should be recalled to serve COS or COOK, CLERK, DRIVER duty...after all, the bloody British walked out on us when the Japs came. Would they fight for our country and protect their wives?

I'd bundle my wife on a boat and head for Bintan at the first sign of trouble. But unpatriotic git that I am, I'd do that in any country, Singapore or otherwise -- fat lot of good it would do your wife to get killed in action, no?

[HP]

Hi, just browse through and happened to saw your post. Not Sure if your guy got the PR already or not but just let you know. Its very easy. Just get the forms required and go for a easy urine checkup & also chest x-ray i think. Then pay about 100+ for total and in less than 2 months your guy will get the PR. However, he has to come personally to the immigration to collect the Blue IC. Your marriage with his will do. Thats what i did too. I hope that all this helps if you have not yet apply for it.

[wchua]

Hi, just browse through and happened to saw your post. Not Sure if your guy got the PR already or not but just let you know. Its very easy. Just get the forms required and go for a easy urine checkup & also chest x-ray i think. Then pay about 100+ for total and in less than 2 months your guy will get the PR. However, he has to come personally to the immigration to collect the Blue IC. Your marriage with his will do. Thats what i did too. I hope that all this helps if you have not yet apply for it.

Hi my case was similar to yours. Does your education qualification help you to get your PR. This is because my friend's hubby who is 23 and is not a university grad was given PR but received a NS requirement later.

[Guest]

Ferunk - This question has been raised by an increasing number of Singapore women who have or are going to marry a foreigner. Below are the links to the previous threads:

http://www.singaporeexpats.com/forum/ft ... asc-0.html