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Postby leonrobski » Fri, 25 Jun 2010 2:20 pm

oh.
i was looking through the "Guide to NS issues".

i realized 'nitro' was probably having a similar situation as me. The thing is, even though my wife and i were singapore citizens, and we went to OZ to have our son. then we brought him back to singapore to stay.

so now. unlike what most of you believed, the singapore government did grant my son the singapore PR status. so i do find it rather strange that u all believe that the government would not give PRs to the male children of singapore citizens.

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Postby JayCee » Fri, 25 Jun 2010 2:38 pm

leonrobski wrote:oh.
i was looking through the "Guide to NS issues".

i realized 'nitro' was probably having a similar situation as me. The thing is, even though my wife and i were singapore citizens, and we went to OZ to have our son. then we brought him back to singapore to stay.

so now. unlike what most of you believed, the singapore government did grant my son the singapore PR status. so i do find it rather strange that u all believe that the government would not give PRs to the male children of singapore citizens.


People here are expats and not Singaporeans like yourself so it's not really that strange that some facts might get muddled. I would have thought a forum for Singaporeans and not foreigners in Singapore would probably have yielded more information as there must be a lot of locals who have gone through similar. But then I find it strange that any local people would register on a forum for foreigners personally, but that's a different subject...

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Postby Saint » Fri, 25 Jun 2010 2:51 pm

leonrobski wrote:so now. unlike what most of you believed, the singapore government did grant my son the singapore PR status. so i do find it rather strange that u all believe that the government would not give PRs to the male children of singapore citizens.


It's not that we don't believe you but that it's a very odd case to be honest

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Postby Mad Scientist » Fri, 25 Jun 2010 3:07 pm

leonrobski wrote:oh.
i was looking through the "Guide to NS issues".

i realized 'nitro' was probably having a similar situation as me. The thing is, even though my wife and i were singapore citizens, and we went to OZ to have our son. then we brought him back to singapore to stay.

so now. unlike what most of you believed, the singapore government did grant my son the singapore PR status. so i do find it rather strange that u all believe that the government would not give PRs to the male children of singapore citizens.


Sorry mate, nitro issue and yourself are different. I know as I am the one who advised him. Sorry cannot divulge on private message.
I was referring to another person. Anyway how did you get the SPR, by application or granted per se or you have a set of criteria or receievd green light from ICA on certain aspect of your qualifications. This is an interesting issue not trying to offend you but rather share it with us

@Jaycee, I would suggest you slow down abit as I am a Sger too. It does not matter which forum as the main goal is to help each other and learn from one another :)
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 25 Jun 2010 3:15 pm

There are quite a few Singaporeans on here. Some are regular, other not so regular. Some are here in Singapore and some are overseas but visit the forum regularly. We are a mixed lot here, and better for it. :cool:

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 25 Jun 2010 3:36 pm

MS, isn't it possible to be granted PR status for the child of a Citizen if the child was born overseas in a country that allows citizenship by jus soli (born on the soil) as opposed to jus sanguinis (via lineage or blood)? Therefore, the boy becomes a foreign citizen and rather than stamping "right of abode" in his foreign passport, they gave him PR instead?

I believe there is no law making it mandatory for the child to take up Singapore Citizenship as the child already a citizen in another country by birth.

Stamping "right of abode" gets the child out of NS, whereas, granting him PR makes him NS liable and because he got his PR as a direct result of his parents, this would be giving the child PR under the "Family Ties" method of PR so therefore, just like a foreign husbands, like myself for instance and Saint as well, makes us liable for NS. The fact that the boy is young enough, he cannot get a waiver, while generally, older dudes like Saint & myself get waivers.
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Postby JayCee » Fri, 25 Jun 2010 5:50 pm

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leonrobski wrote:oh.
i was looking through the "Guide to NS issues".

i realized 'nitro' was probably having a similar situation as me. The thing is, even though my wife and i were singapore citizens, and we went to OZ to have our son. then we brought him back to singapore to stay.

so now. unlike what most of you believed, the singapore government did grant my son the singapore PR status. so i do find it rather strange that u all believe that the government would not give PRs to the male children of singapore citizens.


Sorry mate, nitro issue and yourself are different. I know as I am the one who advised him. Sorry cannot divulge on private message.
I was referring to another person. Anyway how did you get the SPR, by application or granted per se or you have a set of criteria or receievd green light from ICA on certain aspect of your qualifications. This is an interesting issue not trying to offend you but rather share it with us

@Jaycee, I would suggest you slow down abit as I am a Sger too. It does not matter which forum as the main goal is to help each other and learn from one another :)


Slow down? I was just saying - I don't understand why people who aren't expats here would register with a forum aimed at expats, it's like me being in London and registering with an French expat forum or something, just seems a little strange to me as people often get offended if something is said about the country which isn't to their liking. But to each their own.

I used to know another expat forum (not in Singapore) where it was a hunting ground for local ladies on the prowl, not saying that happens here mind you... :lol:

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 25 Jun 2010 6:43 pm

JayCee wrote:.....not saying that happens here mind you... :lol:


As a result of this board and the FNDC, there WAS a marriage between two members here a number of years ago. :cool:

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Postby Mad Scientist » Sat, 26 Jun 2010 4:48 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:MS, isn't it possible to be granted PR status for the child of a Citizen if the child was born overseas in a country that allows citizenship by jus soli (born on the soil) as opposed to jus sanguinis (via lineage or blood)? Therefore, the boy becomes a foreign citizen and rather than stamping "right of abode" in his foreign passport, they gave him PR instead?

I believe there is no law making it mandatory for the child to take up Singapore Citizenship as the child already a citizen in another country by birth.

Stamping "right of abode" gets the child out of NS, whereas, granting him PR makes him NS liable and because he got his PR as a direct result of his parents, this would be giving the child PR under the "Family Ties" method of PR so therefore, just like a foreign husbands, like myself for instance and Saint as well, makes us liable for NS. The fact that the boy is young enough, he cannot get a waiver, while generally, older dudes like Saint & myself get waivers.


SMS

Honestly I am confused. Remember BlueSamba. not disputing OP claims but I really am confused as there are no evidence that I can gather unless we have more info from OP.
For argument sake, let's break it down per se

1. SG does allow NOT dual citizenship after 21 period.
2. SG parents who has child born overseas is allowed to apply for SG Citzenship by descent which you already know the pros and cons. There is not one statement that state PR is allowed from ICA, statutes on line , SG consitution and even MHA.
3. SG Gahmen do give SC citizenship or SPR during 1997 when Hong Kong was returned to CHina. Many Hong Kongers accept this as they only need certain $$$$ criteria and it is free, certain guideline need to adhere
4. There are about 20 Honored Citizen by the Gahmen , they are the think tank of SG economics.
5. Johor, Pahang, Kelantan and Malacca Sultanate line of royal blood are granted SPR
6. During the late 1990s upheaval in Indonesia, many Chinese Born Indos was given this leeway too.
Yes I agree with your argument but this is not US or OZ, this is SG. The law is not specific per se and many invisible hands in ICA which we are not aware of.
Take for example, do you know that SG has oil exploration and discover oil offshore near SG but it is not open to it. ask Conoco Philips.
The oil at the pump is still quite steep
Unless OP is willing to share with us how OP got it for the benefits of others, my search proof futile
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Postby Mad Scientist » Sat, 26 Jun 2010 5:09 am

JayCee wrote:Slow down? I was just saying - I don't understand why people who aren't expats here would register with a forum aimed at expats, it's like me being in London and registering with an French expat forum or something, just seems a little strange to me as people often get offended if something is said about the country which isn't to their liking. But to each their own.

There are reasons why people join forums. For me is to help those stranded with ICA, NS, PR matters and some other issues. SMS and I are gathering info for all that pertain to these.I do not know but I think both of us has helped many with questions that they cannot find it anywhere on other board on these issues . Other regulars like SE, JP, KSL, Saint, QRM, Naka, Plavt and others has contributed too
This will add more bite to this forum credibility. As such if OP is not willing to share info for the benefits of others, then we lack that vital info. We need OP to come forward and share. Hence if you start putting him off we cannot never understand why the Gahmen did this and that
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Postby leonrobski » Sat, 26 Jun 2010 4:05 pm

according to this website, http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=151,

The following categories of foreigners are eligible to apply for permanent residence:

(a) Spouse and unmarried children (below 21 years old) of a Singapore Citizen
(SC)/SingaporePermanent Resident (SPR)
(b) Aged Parents of a SC
(c) P, Q or S work pass holders
(d) Investors/Entrepreneurs

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Postby Mad Scientist » Sat, 26 Jun 2010 4:49 pm

leonrobski wrote:according to this website, http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=151,

The following categories of foreigners are eligible to apply for permanent residence:

(a) Spouse and unmarried children (below 21 years old) of a Singapore Citizen
(SC)/SingaporePermanent Resident (SPR)
(b) Aged Parents of a SC
(c) P, Q or S work pass holders
(d) Investors/Entrepreneurs


OP you are right, I apologise as I am not aware of this. This changes was done in 2009. It was definitely not during my watch

May I know which age was he when you apply his SPR

It is similar to 2nd Gen Pr under PTS scheme basically the consequences is far greater that applying for SC dual cert if your son chose to ignore NS

But you miss the pdf attachment which require your son to serve NS
http://www.ica.gov.sg/data/resources/do ... 4_4-01.pdf
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Postby ksl » Sat, 26 Jun 2010 8:18 pm

JayCee wrote:
Mad Scientist wrote:
leonrobski wrote:oh.
i was looking through the "Guide to NS issues".

i realized 'nitro' was probably having a similar situation as me. The thing is, even though my wife and i were singapore citizens, and we went to OZ to have our son. then we brought him back to singapore to stay.

so now. unlike what most of you believed, the singapore government did grant my son the singapore PR status. so i do find it rather strange that u all believe that the government would not give PRs to the male children of singapore citizens.


Sorry mate, nitro issue and yourself are different. I know as I am the one who advised him. Sorry cannot divulge on private message.
I was referring to another person. Anyway how did you get the SPR, by application or granted per se or you have a set of criteria or receievd green light from ICA on certain aspect of your qualifications. This is an interesting issue not trying to offend you but rather share it with us

@Jaycee, I would suggest you slow down abit as I am a Sger too. It does not matter which forum as the main goal is to help each other and learn from one another :)


Slow down? I was just saying - I don't understand why people who aren't expats here would register with a forum aimed at expats, it's like me being in London and registering with an French expat forum or something, just seems a little strange to me as people often get offended if something is said about the country which isn't to their liking. But to each their own.

I used to know another expat forum (not in Singapore) where it was a hunting ground for local ladies on the prowl, not saying that happens here mind you... :lol:
Logic tells me, that local Singaporeans working away from home, 'will register on the Singaporean Expat website, so they can share their common Singapore problems. Which planet are you from? No offence, I'm just curious why you wouldn't think the same as I do. :wink: Ha ha! I have the answer, you are French!

Though French don't have the common problem that Singaporeans have with Gahman, So no matter where in the world Singaporeans are, with their Kids, they will always register with Singapore expats, it makes sense to me. Scratching my head :roll: Though my teacher always said i was a dumb nut :o With regards to pervs', we can spot them a mile off :P and press the red button for surveillance, IP addresses, home address you name it and the pink panther is onto it! :-| :-|

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Postby JayCee » Tue, 29 Jun 2010 12:48 pm

ksl wrote:
JayCee wrote:
Mad Scientist wrote:
leonrobski wrote:oh.
i was looking through the "Guide to NS issues".

i realized 'nitro' was probably having a similar situation as me. The thing is, even though my wife and i were singapore citizens, and we went to OZ to have our son. then we brought him back to singapore to stay.

so now. unlike what most of you believed, the singapore government did grant my son the singapore PR status. so i do find it rather strange that u all believe that the government would not give PRs to the male children of singapore citizens.


Sorry mate, nitro issue and yourself are different. I know as I am the one who advised him. Sorry cannot divulge on private message.
I was referring to another person. Anyway how did you get the SPR, by application or granted per se or you have a set of criteria or receievd green light from ICA on certain aspect of your qualifications. This is an interesting issue not trying to offend you but rather share it with us

@Jaycee, I would suggest you slow down abit as I am a Sger too. It does not matter which forum as the main goal is to help each other and learn from one another :)


Slow down? I was just saying - I don't understand why people who aren't expats here would register with a forum aimed at expats, it's like me being in London and registering with an French expat forum or something, just seems a little strange to me as people often get offended if something is said about the country which isn't to their liking. But to each their own.

I used to know another expat forum (not in Singapore) where it was a hunting ground for local ladies on the prowl, not saying that happens here mind you... :lol:
Logic tells me, that local Singaporeans working away from home, 'will register on the Singaporean Expat website, so they can share their common Singapore problems. Which planet are you from? No offence, I'm just curious why you wouldn't think the same as I do. :wink: Ha ha! I have the answer, you are French!

Though French don't have the common problem that Singaporeans have with Gahman, So no matter where in the world Singaporeans are, with their Kids, they will always register with Singapore expats, it makes sense to me. Scratching my head :roll: Though my teacher always said i was a dumb nut :o With regards to pervs', we can spot them a mile off :P and press the red button for surveillance, IP addresses, home address you name it and the pink panther is onto it! :-| :-|


I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to make, no I am not French I am British hence why I said it would be strange if I registered with a site for French expats (or Italian, or German or any other foreign country) in England if I was still living in England. The same as I find it strange for locals in Singapore to register with a site aimed at expats in Singapore. For Singaporean expats (Singaporeans living abroad) then I understand why they may register as it could be confusing as to what "Singapore expats" means (is it for expats in Singapore, or Singaporean expats abroad?) but that wasn't my point.

Anyhow I'm done, no point continuing the discussion really, peace to all


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