KSLksl wrote:If i'm not wrong the Singapore birth certificate is just proof of birth in Singapore, the kid is not a citizen of Singapore. The child gets automatic UK citizenship, if the father is documented, not Singaporean. So you need to register the birth through the UK channels asap too. American citizenship I have no idea, maybe SMS or SE can shed some light. Of course you apply for the child pass, whatever that may be, probably dependant pass.
Sorry KSL, SMS I misread the OP post :oops:You are right on this issuebgmdd wrote:If i hand over my passport and he becomes my dependent I'm guessing he becomes a 2nd generation PR right there... No big deal if we plan on living here all his life but we probably don't... If he becomes 2GPR then we leave Singapore in say 4 years and IF NS still exists in 17 years time and IF on receiving a draft letter he decides not to return to an island he probably wont remember to serve NS when he could be finishing High School and chasing Cheerleaders then from what i read this may make it very difficult for him to get an employment pass here 10 years after that should he happen to want to move here in later life... With this in mind is there ANY way of him attaining dependent status / long term residency without becoming 2GPR ??? Many thanks
I totally agree with SMS interpretation, that PR for the baby is applied for and is not automatic, though a quick phone call should clear it up!sundaymorningstaple wrote:MS,
I think you will find that the child will not have either Singapore citizenship or PR. This is why the child should get a passport asap and either have right of abode stamped in it OR the parent applies for PR for the child. The child does not automatically acquire citizenship or PR just because the child is born in Singapore (unlike the US).
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Of course that works, but is it the best option? If the kid grows up here and all his kaki's are here and he is comfortable here, and then he hits the end of his schooling and then what? If the Parents are still here as PR' the kid will have to leave home and go where? You don't really think the Gahmen are gonna let him do that without him paying the price do you? He'll never get an LTVP nor will he get an EP let along PR. What happens if he falls in love with a local girl? Or doesn't the kid get a chance to live his own life?Arwen wrote:I think you can get a UK passport and get a LTSV for your kid. That works even if both parents are PR and it avoids the NS later for a boy.
It works both ways - what if he wants to leave the country and finish his schooling elsewhere and doesn't want to contribute to SG or the family leaves when he is 15 (correct that you automatically become due for NS after your 14th birthday?) If he decides to continue staying in SG, then he can do NS and get on with his life. If the decision is to leave SG - then he shouldn't have a problem if he's not applied for PR - not shutting the door, just deferring the decision until closer to the time. A great deal can happen in 18 years.sundaymorningstaple wrote:Of course that works, but is it the best option? If the kid grows up here and all his kaki's are here and he is comfortable here, and then he hits the end of his schooling and then what? If the Parents are still here as PR' the kid will have to leave home and go where? You don't really think the Gahmen are gonna let him do that without him paying the price do you? He'll never get an LTVP nor will he get an EP let along PR. What happens if he falls in love with a local girl? Or doesn't the kid get a chance to live his own life?Arwen wrote:I think you can get a UK passport and get a LTSV for your kid. That works even if both parents are PR and it avoids the NS later for a boy.
It's 13 year old, but if the parents are planning on leaving, then they shouldn't be applying for PR in the first place. But it's an argument that neither side can win. So, I'll just agree to disagree. (Although why anybody would want PR now I don't know - I was a strong supporter until they started penalizing the "real" PR like myself because of the PR abusers of the past half dozen years or so.)carteki wrote:It works both ways - what if he wants to leave the country and finish his schooling elsewhere and doesn't want to contribute to SG or the family leaves when he is 15 (correct that you automatically become due for NS after your 14th birthday?) If he decides to continue staying in SG, then he can do NS and get on with his life. If the decision is to leave SG - then he shouldn't have a problem if he's not applied for PR - not shutting the door, just deferring the decision until closer to the time. A great deal can happen in 18 years.sundaymorningstaple wrote:Of course that works, but is it the best option? If the kid grows up here and all his kaki's are here and he is comfortable here, and then he hits the end of his schooling and then what? If the Parents are still here as PR' the kid will have to leave home and go where? You don't really think the Gahmen are gonna let him do that without him paying the price do you? He'll never get an LTVP nor will he get an EP let along PR. What happens if he falls in love with a local girl? Or doesn't the kid get a chance to live his own life?Arwen wrote:I think you can get a UK passport and get a LTSV for your kid. That works even if both parents are PR and it avoids the NS later for a boy.
Here is my 1 centArwen wrote: the child can later either study for his Diploma, for uni in Singapore or for Uni outside Singapore. We have a lot of interns here and fresh grads and they all do the same, 90% of them are outside Singapore to study (most of them didnt want to study in Singapore to be honest ,parents are either PR or still on EP, kids went here to school for more than 10 years, and none of the guys did their NS and they did not get dropped out of the country).
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