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minor repairs under fair wear and tear. Who pays?

Postby madfysh » Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:55 pm

the toilet flushing system in the unit is weak and making noises. it seems that minor repairs or a look by the plumber is required. i am curious, in such circumstances, who is responsible for the cost of repair - Tenant or landlord?

p/s: there is a repair clause in TA that says all expendable items are to be replaced at tenant's expense up to S$150.

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Re: minor repairs under fair wear and tear. Who pays?

Postby ksl » Wed, 02 Jun 2010 11:36 pm

madfysh wrote:the toilet flushing system in the unit is weak and making noises. it seems that minor repairs or a look by the plumber is required. i am curious, in such circumstances, who is responsible for the cost of repair - Tenant or landlord?

p/s: there is a repair clause in TA that says all expendable items are to be replaced at tenant's expense up to S$150.


Looks like you will have to pay if its under 150$! This is quite normal for replacement parts! One reason to do a proper check when moving in, that is the time to have it replaced if its suspect.

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Postby bigfilsing » Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:52 am

Agree with KSL ....bite the bull;et and pay up.

Save the "battles" for major things like air con compressors and water heaters

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Postby Saint » Thu, 03 Jun 2010 11:18 am

You'll be surprised just how many repair bill cost $149!

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Postby februus » Thu, 03 Jun 2010 11:33 am

Saint wrote:You'll be surprised just how many repair bill cost $149!


especially if the landlord finds the worker!

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Postby ksl » Thu, 03 Jun 2010 3:52 pm

Saint wrote:You'll be surprised just how many repair bill cost $149!
Yes i couldn't agree more that it could end up over the 150 mark, when they see an expat. Though the worker also knows that the Landlords are pretty up to date on what it costs.

I have just replaced the whole waste pipe from the bathroom basin for 8$ and 30 minutes of fiddling to work the pipe into the drain, because it hadn't been done correctly when the concrete had been laid around the drain. So they had to botch the pipe by sawing the U bend in half, rather than chipping the concrete away, to slide the u bend in.

I also had to take the window air con out, because they had installed it incorrectly and the condensation ran into the bedroom, rather than outside, it had caused quite a bit of damage before the maid had realised to the cheap chipboard cupboards. It cost be 2$ to fix for the piping from the air-con to the drip tray after i set the air con in correctly, so the water ran outside of the building..

I would question anything a Singaporean worker does, because they will find the quickest solution, rather than the best solution to finish a job, and charge you max $ you are willing to pay, rather than a respectable rate.

I ask myself many times how a Singaporean tradesman, can charge more than they do in Europe for poor shoddy work, not possible so don't pay...

By the way I spent 35$ to become a member of CASE....well worth the money....I had a 3500$ sofa which i paid 2500$ for, because i waited 6 weeks to have it made to order, to get the discount.

The leather fell to bits after in the 3rd year, having experience of tanning leather in the abattoir days of my youth came in handy....I knew it had not been tanned correctly...I stood my ground even when they offered me 1500$ to spend in their shop. I flatly refused, because i had extended warranty, and wanted the same sofa. Which they said was too expensive and it had been discontinued.

They said the warranty didn't cover the holes that appeared, and only covered peeling, it was not pealing, and the holes was because it had dried out due to me using the wrong leather polish. I felt very angry at the stupid idiot doing the survey and told him straight he wasn't even qualified to inspect the leather. if he was he would not come out with such a stupid remark.

Correct tanned leather is strengthened not weakened

The 1500$ to spend wasn't an option, because i would be still losing out. So i stood my ground explaining, i wanted a win win situation. and I would fight for my rights. The sofa i had, was out of production, the design was unique and i wanted the design....in the end, they had the manufacturer build me a new one in different leather, which i agreed to.

When the delivery guy came he told me that 4 or 5 of the same sofa's had the same problem so it was discontinued in that leather, though I was the only one to stand my ground until i got what i wanted, not what they wanted to give me.

Off topic i know, but the whole point is, spend 35$ and get the CASE membership, it is very well worth it. I have had other problems solved on the spot by showing the card.
When i sent a watch in for a new battery and they wanted 75$ saying they had to renew the back on my heart monitor watch i use for running, becuase they broke the screw, it was rusty inside because of sweat. I said it was their brand and their problem not mine, even though the guarantee had run out, I always let them replace the batteries.

So if the screw was slanted when it went in, they had done it themselves, not me. The batteries cost 6 $ and I agreed for a new strap and back, that they had put on, but not at my expense I agreed to pay the reduce fee of 10$. I only had to show I was a CASE member, to get them to review their costs.

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Re: minor repairs under fair wear and tear. Who pays?

Postby Vaucluse » Thu, 03 Jun 2010 4:14 pm

An excellent question . . .

madfysh wrote: i am curious, in such circumstances, who is responsible for the cost of repair - Tenant or landlord?

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madfysh wrote:
. . . with an easy answer:

p/s: there is a repair clause in TA that says all expendable items are to be replaced at tenant's expense up to S$150.
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Postby cbavasi » Thu, 03 Jun 2010 5:47 pm

you'll probably have to pay for the cost of the plumber to come out and take a look... if he can fix it'll probably be like the others said $149... if they need to order parts and it'll be a lot you'll need to get it approved by landlord if over $150. most times the landlord will want to find their own person to come in and do it. i have a reliable and reasonably priced plumber who has helped us in 2 apts if you need a rec.

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Postby Splatted » Thu, 03 Jun 2010 5:57 pm

I don't consider the inner workings of a toilet 'expendable'.

Light globes, yes. Tap washers, yes. Smoke alarm batteries, yes.

(struggling to think of more 'expendable' items)

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Postby cbavasi » Thu, 03 Jun 2010 6:48 pm

I'd take another look at the lease - would be strange if it was for "expendable items" only and does not include minor repairs up to $150. If not, you may have found a loophole.

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Postby madfysh » Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:05 pm

Hi cbavasi, it would be great if you can pass me your plumber contact to stand by...in case i need.

BTW, what does expendable mean? i google it...it says non-essentials. well, there are 2 toilets in the apartment and this is the common one.

also, the unit has been occupied for close to a year...will it be classified as negligence?

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Postby ksl » Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:20 pm

madfysh wrote:Hi cbavasi, it would be great if you can pass me your plumber contact to stand by...in case i need.

BTW, what does expendable mean? i google it...it says non-essentials. well, there are 2 toilets in the apartment and this is the common one.

also, the unit has been occupied for close to a year...will it be classified as negligence?
the unit has been occupied for close to a year...will it be classified as negligence?
Not at all!
Wear and tear in which case it would normally be included in the rental fee, however the clause makes a difference....it is not expendable, it is fair wear and tear, so there lies a possible loop hole in which the landlord may have to pay as it is a fixed unit.

Lots of people have used that toilet not just you, so stick to your guns and tell him to repair it any good Landlord would repair it without question. Though it is the contract wording that rules.

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Postby Vaucluse » Fri, 04 Jun 2010 8:21 am

Splatted wrote:
(struggling to think of more 'expendable' items)


Husbands? :)
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Postby observer » Fri, 04 Jun 2010 10:47 am

Thank you, ksl.

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Postby cbavasi » Fri, 04 Jun 2010 6:10 pm

Here is the guy we've used:

Benji Plumbing
Tel 6449 1138 or 93821777


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