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Application for NS Deferment pending renunciation

Postby waz » Thu, 27 May 2010 10:23 pm

Hi all,

I am in the process of filling up and submitting this application for my son.
In the 5 years that we've migrated (and obtain foreign citizenship in the last two), we made 3 short visits to Singapore.

One using Singapore passport and twice using Oz passport (since we got the citizenship).

In the section where I need to fill up on visiting Singapore, do I include the time when my son used Oz passport as well?
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Re: Application for NS Deferment pending renunciation

Postby Mad Scientist » Fri, 28 May 2010 4:27 am

waz wrote:Hi all,

I am in the process of filling up and submitting this application for my son.
In the 5 years that we've migrated (and obtain foreign citizenship in the last two), we made 3 short visits to Singapore.

One using Singapore passport and twice using Oz passport (since we got the citizenship).

In the section where I need to fill up on visiting Singapore, do I include the time when my son used Oz passport as well?


hey waz

You only submit the SG passport . Find out the date and enter it on the forms.No. you do not need to enter the date of arrival to SG using the OZ passport
Then photocpy all pages of SG passport.
Foreign Passport only the front page with your son details need to photocopy

That is all

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Postby waz » Fri, 28 May 2010 6:55 am

Thanks MS

The SG passport has no stamp on it. So have to check my personal travel itinerary that year.

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Return kid's Singapore passport to ICA for cancellation

Postby SwimSurf » Mon, 31 May 2010 1:04 pm

Hi MS,

My six year old son is a Singapore citizen by birth. My wife also registered his birth at her country's Embassy and so he also holds the citizenship of my wife's country. We left Singapore almost four years ago. A close friend of mine has advised me to return his Singapore passport to ICA for cancellation as that will be viewed favorably by Mindef as not enjoying significant socio-economic benefits when he makes the application for deferment at age 13.

Do you know if there is any merit in his view?

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Re: Return kid's Singapore passport to ICA for cancellation

Postby Mad Scientist » Mon, 31 May 2010 3:53 pm

SwimSurf wrote:Hi MS,

My six year old son is a Singapore citizen by birth. My wife also registered his birth at her country's Embassy and so he also holds the citizenship of my wife's country. We left Singapore almost four years ago. A close friend of mine has advised me to return his Singapore passport to ICA for cancellation as that will be viewed favorably by Mindef as not enjoying significant socio-economic benefits when he makes the application for deferment at age 13.

Do you know if there is any merit in his view?

Thanks.


Incorrect assumption. I believe your son has another 1 year of expiry on his passport since all passport since 2005 has only 5 years validity.
If you intend to renounce his SG citizenship, do not extend or renew his SG passport once expired. If he needs to travel back to SG use his foreign passport . He still enjoys 30 days social visit pass. If ICA advise you to stamp "right of entry" on his passport for longer stay in Singapore for more than 30 days ; do not do it if you intend to renounce.
Socio eocnomic benefit means child schooled in SG till 16. Collecting Pink IC, getting student grant from Gahmen for schooling purposes and travelling using SG passport after 13 years of age etc....
As long as he apply his EP at the age of 13 and apply to renounce after that , he should be alright. Read all the post by Kraik to get a feel of it
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Postby SwimSurf » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 5:51 am

Thanks, MS. There is no harm in returning his passport to ICA anyway as my friend has done for his son, right? His son has already received approval for deferment pending renunciation. No point in having the Singapore passport lying around when it is not going to be used again. I will make several certified true copies of the whole passport before I return it.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 7:07 am

SwimSurf wrote:Thanks, MS. There is no harm in returning his passport to ICA anyway as my friend has done for his son, right? His son has already received approval for deferment pending renunciation. No point in having the Singapore passport lying around when it is not going to be used again. I will make several certified true copies of the whole passport before I return it.



Yes ,but for the renunciation process when he reaches 21, they need the orignal passport be it expired or not to be returned back with those papers and dual citizenship
Among other thing is photocopies of all the pages of your son passport is required for the approval for deferment pending renunciation which will be when he turns 16?.
CMPB, ICA, MINDEF likes you to give all docs over and over again although they have it in their system.A real pain in the bum so to speak
Why make it complicated later on when ICA need those items for submission.Just keep it in a safe place.
Unless ICA sent you a reply letter stating that we have received the cancellation of passport of your child, yeah, do that.
Why don't you ask your friend did he received a reply letter for the cancellation of SG passport. If he has it yeah go ahead and do it.
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Postby SwimSurf » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 9:54 am

Yes, he received a letter from ICA acknowledging that they have received his son's passport and that it has been cancelled.

On another note, are you certain that they will request for the return of all Singapore passports current and expired upon renunciation? I only returned my then current passport with my renunciation form. The renunciation was accepted without a hitch.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:11 am

SwimSurf wrote:Yes, he received a letter from ICA acknowledging that they have received his son's passport and that it has been cancelled.

On another note, are you certain that they will request for the return of all Singapore passports current and expired upon renunciation? I only returned my then current passport with my renunciation form. The renunciation was accepted without a hitch.


Then it is all good. I would advise you photocopy all the pages of your son passport b4 sending it back to ICA.
Your application of deferment pending renunciation is to CMPB. Just to be on the safe side

On the other issue, you misunderstood me. I was referring to your son PP once it expired that need to be return upon renounce. Yes, for renounce just return your current PP and Pink IC only plus the notaries docs..

Is there anything else that I can help you with ?
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Postby SwimSurf » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:47 pm

I have renounced my Singapore citizenship and my wife has also given up her Singapore PR status. Given those circumstances, you can understand that I am very keen to sever the last remaining formal tie with Singapore ie. my son's Singapore citizenship. However, since he cannot renounce until he is 21, and the application for deferment pending renunciation can only be initiated at the age of 13, I guess all we can do now is lie low and hope they don't change the rules when my son's turn comes.

Is there anything else that we can or need to do between now and when my son turns 13 years old?

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Postby Mad Scientist » Tue, 01 Jun 2010 3:41 pm

SwimSurf wrote:I have renounced my Singapore citizenship and my wife has also given up her Singapore PR status. Given those circumstances, you can understand that I am very keen to sever the last remaining formal tie with Singapore ie. my son's Singapore citizenship. However, since he cannot renounce until he is 21, and the application for deferment pending renunciation can only be initiated at the age of 13, I guess all we can do now is lie low and hope they don't change the rules when my son's turn comes.

Is there anything else that we can or need to do between now and when my son turns 13 years old?


SS, you do not have to lay low. There is nothing else that you need to do. Just wait and follow the timeline. Keep yourself update at www.mha.gov.sg. Alot of the rules changes is published here. If it makes you more relax, send a letter to ICA stating your son intention now since you have nothing to lose. ICA will come back stating that you cannot renounce until 21 and under Chap 93 enlistment ACT
Once they have register that in their file, comes 13 and 21, ICA already knew you are a done deal.

This is the best info I can advise you. Good Luck
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Postby SwimSurf » Wed, 02 Jun 2010 8:43 am

Thanks, MS. You have been a great help.

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Postby waz » Sun, 13 Jun 2010 9:17 am

Hmmm. Submittted to CMPB the filled in form last week.

My son has not reached 10 (until November this year), and Singapore passport valid until then too.
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Postby Mad Scientist » Sun, 13 Jun 2010 4:56 pm

waz wrote:Hmmm. Submittted to CMPB the filled in form last week.

My son has not reached 10 (until November this year), and Singapore passport valid until then too.


Hey Waz

Just to keep you in the loop. CMPB cannot register your deferment pending renunciation docs as he is below 13. They will send you a series of documents for the deferment and the preregister for NS when he turn 16 and a half. I would be incline to send a cover letter to Citizen Advise Bureau , ICA to inform them that your family has renounce albeit wife and yourself and your intention to renounce your son SG Citizen too. They will reply that they are not assuming this acceptance hence they will put forward to CMPB. This is good as it will set the wheel in motion :cool:
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Postby waz » Mon, 28 Jun 2010 8:19 am

Hi MS.

You are right.

Got a reply from CMPB that it will only need to be submitted after he turns 13.

Oh well. Just will wait.
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