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Rumors of losing PR status/ Downgrade of PR status

Post by itsalison » Thu, 13 May 2010 8:25 pm

I know this is a bit silly but I have been hearing several rumors about losing PR status. Does anyone really lose PR status even the person is still working in Singapore? Is the Singapore government issuing downgrade of PR status (meaning losing PR eligibility) even if there are no misconduct or any misdemeanor records by the PR himself? Moreover, there are no plans whatsoever to leave singapore and have been staying for 5 years now. Is there such thing as expiration of being a resident?

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 13 May 2010 10:44 pm

I haven't heard of being downgraded but I have heard of PR being revoked in the case of undesirability. You know, things like maybe being a bankrupt or being convicted of a criminal act or immorality/rape, etc. But, I reckon it's possible as the government always retains that right. Who knows, they may start checking IRAS Tax records against PR's to see if they are working or they may check with ICA to see how many have left to other countries to try to collect PR's there as well. Actually, that might be a good idea as it would get rid of lots of PR abusers. :wink:

I have heard of divorces between foreigners who got their PR on family ties and have had to sell their flats back to the CPF board and had their PR revoked as they were unable to qualify on the PT Scheme.
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Post by Mad Scientist » Fri, 14 May 2010 8:10 am

SMS

Actually there is such thing as downgrading their PR status or revoking its status apart from what you have said. I cannot find it now but if I can remember correctly if you are out of the country , I think more than 2 yrs, and not come back to SG, the PR will be revoke.
The OP should not worry if the OP does not fall into any of these category.

I will let my feelers go and feel and see what is on the ground

It may take sometime to confirm
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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 14 May 2010 9:03 am

There is anecdotal evidence to support it, courtesy of the local birdcage liner from around 10 years ago or so. A PR Marine Captain (maritime shipping) got divorced from his Singaporean wife (no kids) and he had purchased an HDB Flat with his local wife and after the divorce, his PR was revoked as he no longer had any family ties here (kids would have done it). Because of Divorce and the fact the wife didn't work, the flat was repossessed by HDB. Whether the wife or the ex-PR received anything wasn't mentioned but I would guess that would depend on what kind of equity they had built up in the unit.

Would be good, however, to find something in black & white as I've tried looking several times without success.
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Re: Rumors of losing PR status/ Downgrade of PR status

Post by revhappy » Mon, 17 May 2010 1:49 pm

itsalison wrote:...Is the Singapore government issuing downgrade of PR status (meaning losing PR eligibility)...
Interesting you use the word downgrade. Why not apply for Citizenship and get an "Upgrade" in that case? :P

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Post by Vaucluse » Mon, 17 May 2010 4:42 pm

Mad Scientist wrote: if you are out of the country , I think more than 2 yrs, and not come back to SG, the PR will be revoke.
Hmm . . . does that mean that we will lose out PR because we have been out of SG for three years and will be four years by the time we move back to the red dot?

Say it isn't so, Mad One :?
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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 17 May 2010 4:46 pm

Actually, that's a very good possibility V. Especially when you give them your last three years Singapore tax returns for your reentry permit renewal. Forewarned is forearmed?
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Post by Vaucluse » Mon, 17 May 2010 5:09 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Actually, that's a very good possibility V. Especially when you give them your last three years Singapore tax returns for your reentry permit renewal. Forewarned is forearmed?
Hmm, that could be a worry. We will have been outside of SG by the time we will be, I hope, back . . . one year left on our PR by then.

Hmmm . . .
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Post by Mad Scientist » Mon, 17 May 2010 6:34 pm

Vaucluse wrote:
Mad Scientist wrote: if you are out of the country , I think more than 2 yrs, and not come back to SG, the PR will be revoke.
Hmm . . . does that mean that we will lose out PR because we have been out of SG for three years and will be four years by the time we move back to the red dot?

Say it isn't so, Mad One :?
V, Damn SMS beat me to it

What I understand from the income tax enacted law. If you are a PR here but on overseas assignment and pay your tax here, your reentry permit is not an issue. However if you had your PR here just for the sake of having one more PR status but decided to migrate to another country and DID NOT PAY ANY Tax for more than two years here, your reentry permit will be a problem. Look it up at statute on line where all the enacted law governing SG.
The issue that I posted earlier was about PR being revoke due to changes in marriage and HDB or criminal offense etc . I do know if you are considered undesirable PR like Ryan Goh that you got 24 hrs to pack your bag due to the SIA Union and pay rise issue.
I cannot find that facts per se hence my comms to SMS
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Post by raden888 » Mon, 17 May 2010 7:16 pm

Uh Oh...V not you...You know the PR abusers SMS been ranting about all these year.. :P

That Ryan Goh scenario illustrated how well employees are protected in Asia!!

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Post by Vaucluse » Mon, 17 May 2010 7:45 pm

raden888 wrote:Uh Oh...V not you...You know the PR abusers SMS been ranting about all these year.. :P

That Ryan Goh scenario illustrated how well employees are protected in Asia!!
That would be me . . . actually, we left Singapore a few weeks after getting PR simply because something seemingly very attractive showed itself, in terms of setting up a business in Thailand . . .

We always had the intention of going back, I'm even listed at the Embassy here as a 'Friend of Singapore' . . . and get invited to their National Day dinner parties. :?

Honestly, I feel gutted now. Seriously . . .

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Post by raden888 » Mon, 17 May 2010 10:59 pm

Well V, there might still be hope like if you have something to offer to the Gahmen : a male offspring or two . :wink:

Did the business in Thailand work out? I know it can be hit and miss for farangs in Thailand.

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Post by Mad Scientist » Tue, 18 May 2010 4:06 am

Vaucluse wrote:
raden888 wrote:Uh Oh...V not you...You know the PR abusers SMS been ranting about all these year.. :P

That Ryan Goh scenario illustrated how well employees are protected in Asia!!
That would be me . . . actually, we left Singapore a few weeks after getting PR simply because something seemingly very attractive showed itself, in terms of setting up a business in Thailand . . .

We always had the intention of going back, I'm even listed at the Embassy here as a 'Friend of Singapore' . . . and get invited to their National Day dinner parties. :?

Honestly, I feel gutted now. Seriously . . .

Mad Sci . . . I don't like you anymore :(
V , I humbly apologise to you if I have offended you
I was reading the law as it is at face value
Did not intend nor did want to offend you.

Please accept my sincere apologies my majesty , KING V [-o<
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Post by Vaucluse » Tue, 18 May 2010 10:11 am

Mad Scientist wrote:
Vaucluse wrote:
raden888 wrote:Uh Oh...V not you...You know the PR abusers SMS been ranting about all these year.. :P

That Ryan Goh scenario illustrated how well employees are protected in Asia!!
That would be me . . . actually, we left Singapore a few weeks after getting PR simply because something seemingly very attractive showed itself, in terms of setting up a business in Thailand . . .

We always had the intention of going back, I'm even listed at the Embassy here as a 'Friend of Singapore' . . . and get invited to their National Day dinner parties. :?

Honestly, I feel gutted now. Seriously . . .

Mad Sci . . . I don't like you anymore :(
V , I humbly apologise to you if I have offended you
I was reading the law as it is at face value
Did not intend nor did want to offend you.

Please accept my sincere apologies my majesty , KING V [-o<
I like shooting the messenger, Mad Scientist. :P

But seriously, this is quite disappointing for me as Singapore is the only country in SEAsia that I actually like living long term


raden888 . . . no male offspring, only female, one of them born on the little red dot.

The Thailand venture was halted after about 1 1/2 years . . . the reasons are many but the main ones were the people's greed, egocentric attitude, thick-headedness, the 'you-no-unnerstan-thai-way' bullshit and the general corruption with cops, local council, business council etc... coming around once a week or once a month asking for their donations . . . evil fekkers, the lot of them. No concept of allowing a business to make a profit before you rape.

Sold the business to a Thai at a loss and now supply him from here.

I could vent even further going into detail . . . but that would be spitting bile at the screen. All I can say to anyone wanting to start a business in Thailand is: Don't
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Post by raden888 » Tue, 18 May 2010 3:22 pm

Well, you never know V as your application will be after the elections...by then PAP couldn't care less about the electorate..Maybe if you move your business to Singapore and employ locals they might look at you favourably :)

Yah...From the people I know who've moved to Thailand , they fit into two categories , the ones who love it and the ones who loathe it. I suspect the former are just on extended tourist visas or professionals while the latter business owners.

Just like the Thai monarch , there may be dozens of coup de'tat's but hey don't mock the royals...They allegedly are one of the wealthiest families in the world with a net worth of USD30 billion ++.

After all the Thai economy is allegedly pretty much controlled by a handful of well connected families....

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