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Postby geerang » Thu, 13 May 2010 3:55 pm

Singapore's GDP per capita (nominal) is now 37k USD, 5 times Malaysia's, 17 times Indonesia's. It is also above that of many Western European nations including the United Kingdom.

Singapore's GDP per capita (PPP) is 4th in the world, much higher than all Western European nations and higher than the Yanks.

The Singapore military, modelled after the Israelis, is widely acknowledged also the strongest in South East Asia, without any peers. Australia, Philippines etc are all way behind Singapore's.

Singapore alone has more fighter airplanes than Malaysia and Indonesia combined, as well as more soldiers than them as well. Tim Huxley, a British scholar, writes about how the Singapore military has the capability to take over the entire Malaysia peninsular easily if the ficitional scenario of a war occurs!

http://www.littlespeck.com/content/secu ... 030114.htm
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Postby geerang » Thu, 13 May 2010 3:59 pm

Singaporeans are so rich that every 1 out of 6 household has a live in foreign maid. How many of you are working as live in maids here?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4790104.stm
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Postby aster » Thu, 13 May 2010 6:11 pm

geerang wrote:Singapore alone has more fighter airplanes than Malaysia and Indonesia combined, as well as more soldiers than them as well.


More soldiers? You mean... per capita? :D

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Postby nakatago » Thu, 13 May 2010 6:16 pm

all this sounds familiar...

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Postby geerang » Thu, 13 May 2010 6:31 pm

aster wrote:
geerang wrote:Singapore alone has more fighter airplanes than Malaysia and Indonesia combined, as well as more soldiers than them as well.


More soldiers? You mean... per capita? :D


No my friend, I meant overall strenght.

"In 2000, the potential mobilised strength of the SAF stood at 350,000 personnel. By comparison, the MAF totalled only about 145,000 personnel, although 105,000 of these were regulars"

http://www.littlespeck.com/content/secu ... 030114.htm
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Postby JR8 » Thu, 13 May 2010 6:51 pm

If all the OP lists is true, and of such importance to the majority, one wonders why so many leave Singapore and never return.

So one way is the traffic it seems, that the government have a specialised unit (part of 'Contact Singapore' [check their website]) that has a travelling jamboree of weekend parties for overseas Singaporeans and guests. Real hawker food and drinks (yes, they fly in the stalls and staff), popular comedians, lion dancers, lots of free stuff (stacks of cans of barley, soybean, jars of chili etc), the whole shebang. The aim would seem to be to make those attending weep to return to SG. I attended one in New York, interesting, most people seemed to turn up, fill up their bags with freebies and then clear off back to their preferred lifestyle!

Most measures given by the OP are financial. That is so 'bukit' (primitive); refer to point above.

Re: Armed forces. I know several NSmen, all conscripts... I'll say no more, others will understand where I am going. It is of note that SGs contribution to the allied forces in Afghanistan is two medics, who are confined to base. Hmmm.

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Postby geerang » Thu, 13 May 2010 7:20 pm

JR8 wrote:If all the OP lists is true, and of such importance to the majority, one wonders why so many leave Singapore and never return.

So one way is the traffic it seems, that the government have a specialised unit (part of 'Contact Singapore' [check their website]) that has a travelling jamboree of weekend parties for overseas Singaporeans and guests. Real hawker food and drinks (yes, they fly in the stalls and staff), popular comedians, lion dancers, lots of free stuff (stacks of cans of barley, soybean, jars of chili etc), the whole shebang. The aim would seem to be to make those attending weep to return to SG. I attended one in New York, interesting, most people seemed to turn up, fill up their bags with freebies and then clear off back to their preferred lifestyle!

Most measures given by the OP are financial. That is so 'bukit' (primitive); refer to point above.

Re: Armed forces. I know several NSmen, all conscripts... I'll say no more, others will understand where I am going. It is of note that SGs contribution to the allied forces in Afghanistan is two medics, who are confined to base. Hmmm.


Singapore is like the Israel of South East Asia. It is physically small but militarily much mightier than surrounding countries. The Israellis help build up Singapore's armed forces. I think the Sg govt generally avoids sending troops overseas as they don't want to make any enemies unnecessarily. If Singapore sends troops to support the coalition, the Taliban militants will probably add Singapore to their list of enemies and Singapore can do without that kind of trouble.

Many Singaporeans have expatriated themsevles overseas but I think many will return. It is the same globally, the British, French, Indians are all travelling abroad as well. But there are so many skilled educated foreigners trying to get Singapore citizenship so brain drain will not be a problem. The problem is in fact overpopulation.
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 13 May 2010 10:29 pm

It's a shame Singaporeans don't like sex. If they did, maybe the gahmen wouldn't have to import so much foreign talent. But, with the 3rd LOWEST fertility rate in the world, and the Chinese here are the lowest of the three rates (the majority race) it wont be long until Singaporeans will be totally helpless (most are already) and will need full time nurses for all of them. Actually that's already started to happen, just they are called maids at the moment.

As far as the military is concerned, I had a conversation with a senior Flag rank officer in Seletar Camp where I used to live, a while back regarding the necessity and capabilities of the state of the military here. They reckon they had to go high tech because too many conscripts have had their maids carrying their backpacks and when they tried to do it in training, they keep keeling over dead. So, it was go high tech or kill to many namby-pamby momma's boys. Actually, according to this officer, Singapore has always maintained that all it has to do it ensure a 72 hours standoff capability until her allies can arrive. Seriously, anybody who thinks a standing army of 150K semi-fit and 200K totally unfit males could defend this country against a neighbour with over 53 million military fit males and a total of 62 million military eligible males actually has a few screws loose, technology or not.

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 13 May 2010 10:45 pm

Oh God that's funny.

And anyone that's cared to me, or will do, see why.

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Postby geerang » Fri, 14 May 2010 1:03 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:It's a shame Singaporeans don't like sex. If they did, maybe the gahmen wouldn't have to import so much foreign talent. But, with the 3rd LOWEST fertility rate in the world, and the Chinese here are the lowest of the three rates (the majority race) it wont be long until Singaporeans will be totally helpless (most are already) and will need full time nurses for all of them. Actually that's already started to happen, just they are called maids at the moment.

As far as the military is concerned, I had a conversation with a senior Flag rank officer in Seletar Camp where I used to live, a while back regarding the necessity and capabilities of the state of the military here. They reckon they had to go high tech because too many conscripts have had their maids carrying their backpacks and when they tried to do it in training, they keep keeling over dead. So, it was go high tech or kill to many namby-pamby momma's boys. Actually, according to this officer, Singapore has always maintained that all it has to do it ensure a 72 hours standoff capability until her allies can arrive. Seriously, anybody who thinks a standing army of 150K semi-fit and 200K totally unfit males could defend this country against a neighbour with over 53 million military fit males and a total of 62 million military eligible males actually has a few screws loose, technology or not.


Malaysia only has 28 million human beings, how can they get 62 million military eligible males? Singapore despite her small physical size actually has the top 30 standing army in the world today with the best equipments and planes. Singapore has around 500k military trained men (inclusive of 100k paramilitary). The Singapore Armed forces is bigger than the militaries of countries such as the Philipines, Japan etc. And it is almost as big as the British military.

All military observers will agree that the Singapore Armed Forces is bigger and more much more advanced than the Malaysian Armed Forces. Singapore: 400k men armed forces vs malaysia 150k men armed forces. Singapore has more planes, APCs, ships etc as well. And much better technology.

Now, Indonesia is trickier. Indonesia has a lot more people, 200 million total population. They might have 62 million able bodied males whom they can throw a rifle to in times of war but these people have not even been trained to fire a rifle much less fight a war.

The Indonesian Armed Forces only has 500k or so militarily trained personnel, with outdated equipment, aging 2G aircrafts and archiac stuff. Juxtapose this with Singapore's 400k plus militarily trained personnel, with the the best equipments in the world, better training, and a lot more fire power.

In the fictional event of an invasion by Indonesia, Singapore should not have a problem repelling and disabling the Indonesian offensive at all. In such an event, the Australians with their 20 million population would defintely be very concerned as well, since Indonesia is at their doorstep. Under the 5 powers defence agreement, I think the guys from down under will most probably join in the defence of Singapore as well.

A large untrained civillian population means nothing in times of war. In fact, they are a liablity rather than an asset. The govt has to look after them, feed them, buiild air shelters for them, deal with them etc. Israel with 7 million people constantly kicks the asses of invaders from Iraq, Egypt, Syria etc. China has a 1.3 billion population and a very large but poorly equipped and poorly trained armed forces during WW2. The Japs invaded them and went all the way down to Singapore during WW2.

Civillian populations, women and untrained men mean nothing in times of war. It is the size of militarily trained men that counts.

72 hours standoff and wait for help? Are you naive or just plain stupid? And you have the balls to talk about having a few screws loose?

Sg armed forces has 100 F15s and F16s, based worldwide in US, AUS, France and SG + 400k militarily trained men who have received 2 years full time training plus year reservist, with the best equipment, tanks, APCs, etc + the best naval fleet by far in the region + lots of firepower. Does this amount of fire power (biggest in this region) sound like being capable of only a 3 day standoff? Try a720 years standoff. :)

And to add to all that, lets not forget Singapore is a global city as well. There are many Europeans, Americans, Asians residing in it. Citibank's HQ is here, many Banks and multinational corporations have their billion dollar buildings in Singapore. American ships also dock in Changi and Sembawang naval docks all the time under a mutual agreement between both countries. Singapore is the only country here with naval facitilies able to can support the American nucear subs and ships. The Malaysians are part of the 5 powers defence agreement as well and tons of Malaysians are working in Singapore. There are relatives on both sides of the straits, and they too would be trapped in the event of any war.

In the ficitonal scenario of an Indonesian invasion, the world will definitely sit up. Soft power will defintely be applied. Military aid from some allies might come but I think Singapore does not need them as she is very capable of defending herself.

And what do you mean by "flag rank" officer? Can you at least learn the proper ranks before talking about the military? In Singapore there is no such "flag rank" officers. There are warrant officers and commissioned officers but non of them have a "flag" as their rank. What is the flag you saw?

Psst..some unamed "flag ranked" officer also told me that Singaporeans only book into the army camps and play computer games all day long for 2 years of conscription..hehe.

Now if China gets up to some hanky panky in future after they fully develop their blue water navy and first aircraft carrier, we might really have a problem. The defence of Singapore will probably have to start from Malaysia and Australia/NZ/Indo will all chip in as well. Which is why we have joint exercises with Msia, Aus etc yearly.

Opps, I think your screws have just fallen on the ground SundayMorning. And what is that smell?
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Postby geerang » Fri, 14 May 2010 1:36 am

Will China get up to any hanky panky? Very unlikely if you consider the fact that for 3000 plus years, they have never really invaded any country outside their borders (except vietnam once , but that was not really a full blown war) and they are strong advocators of peace. Of course these are all fictional scenarios. The SE Asian region is quite stable.

We live in interesting times.
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Postby geerang » Fri, 14 May 2010 1:55 am

More reasons why Singapore is amazingly great. Singapore has the world's best airport, world's busiest port, world's most open economy and one of the most corruption free system in the world.

And an armed forces that is extremely mighty and capable!
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 14 May 2010 7:20 am

Sounds like somebody hasn't done his NS yet. A flag rank officers is one who has been promoted to a rank higher than Colonel. You must be one of the momma's boy's who has spend his whole life in the educational system so doesn't know what he's really talking about yet. The fact that your view of things are rather myopic (which considering fully 80% of Singaporeans are.....) might explain why the generic world wide term (which was initially a US term) Flag Rank is beyond your comprehension.

You really need to talk to people and widen your knowledge a bit. It's nice to feel your military is so good, and for sure, Singapore needs people like you to have faith in what they are doing. But it is truly myopic if you think your military could withstand an onslaught of several million even with the technology. Singapore's military has never claimed it could win a war, but has always wanted a military deterrent. That it does have, but a determined aggressor, not worried about the initial losses, would wear down the country's defenses in a matter of weeks as all it has to do it blockade it from receiving foodstuffs. With little natural resources of it's own, it would soon wither. That is, if there are enough soldiers who didn't run away first. Aside from the Naval Diving Unit and the Commando's here, I sure wouldn't put all my stock in the level of military expertise here. For the record, at full call-up Singapore only has around 350K available conscripts of which 200K of them spend most of the time trying to get deferments from doing their annual training. At least a third of them fail their physical fitness assessments when they do go. Jets sitting in an Arizona desert aren't going to help too much are they. You "firepower" is nothing if there aren't any personnel to push the buttons. You really need to do some more studying before you stick your foot even further in it.

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Postby morenangpinay » Fri, 14 May 2010 7:39 am

the military in singapore hasn't been battlefield tested yet so can't say its mighty. Technologically capable but skills wise and actual knowledge probably needs more upgrading.

its also a rude awakening when I read in some local forums where locals will choose to leave Singapore rather than stay home and fight if and when there is a war in the country.


i think success greatly depends on what you consider important. Other Asian countries may not be as rich as Singapore but they make up for it in other areas.

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Postby beenthere » Fri, 14 May 2010 7:46 am

geerang wrote:Will China get up to any hanky panky? Very unlikely if you consider the fact that for 3000 plus years, they have never really invaded any country outside their borders (except vietnam once , but that was not really a full blown war) and they are strong advocators of peace. Of course these are all fictional scenarios. The SE Asian region is quite stable.

We live in interesting times.


Yes, we do. Remember Tibet? Remember India 1962?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_o ... %80%931951)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War


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