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Post by Mad Scientist » Thu, 06 May 2010 7:08 am

wcs wrote:When I submitted my PR application late last year, they wanted copies of all my transcripts from uni and high school, degree certs, high school diploma, but actually rejected my aus income tax returns. They said they did not need them despite being listed on the form. I am not going to argue if the govt wants less information about me rather than more! :)

Then again I am still waiting for PR! :) Am hoping I am about halfway through now. :) Only time will tell though.
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It is the same for every application. When I submitted my boys renunciation, I have to submit it with their own set of forms despite that I have sent earlier to CMPB and ICA. I sent it with all the docs they required and NOT required for that form again , they replied and asked to submit the next set for exit permit forms which ASKED FOR THE SAME SET OF DOCs which they already have. The worse part is to the SAME PERSON. Again for another set for NS Enlistment to the SAME PERSON AGAIN.
So my rule of thumb even they do not ask for it just give it to them so that they can expedite it smoothly
Have patience as they are the ones holding the cards not us

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 06 May 2010 8:50 am

wcs, that only goes to reinforce what I just said regarding the submission of three years of Singapore Tax returns. If they rejected your Australian ones, it's pretty obvious which ones they want then. If you cannot provide them, because you don't have three years here, they they can possibly use that in their deliberations/point allocation.

Again, everybody please note that the EP4A and Annex A for PR under the PTS Scheme is NEW! The date of this document currently on the ICA site is March 2010.
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Post by singaporeflyer » Thu, 06 May 2010 9:42 am

Mad Scientist wrote:
singaporeflyer wrote:S Pass holders can surely apply for PR. earlier the criteria for evaluation of PR was lenient and so they were approved easily not considering the duration of stay. But recently in the past 8-10 months the evaluation is a lot stricter and the main reasons for rejections are not met the residential requirements (or) factors like financial stability and conduct.

Cant say impossible, but in the recent 1 year there are very few number of S or Q Pass holders with stay less than 1 year in SG approved as a PR .


What the person has quoted as the rejection is surely not the exact content of the rejection letter.

I read your post with interest. Where did you come up with this S pass can apply for PR ?

PLease tell me how this S and Q Pass with less than 1 ys got PR ?

Did I miss something here ?

MS,
I know that SMS has lots of experience than any one on the forum. I replied back to your query to refer to ICA site because u had asked "Where did you come up with this S pass can apply for PR"? That is the reason. I never meant or told that I have more info than what you guys have. I am happy to say that I know just 1% of what you senior guys knew. I was just asking SMS what he meant by your call to ICA, as I did not understand it properly earlier. I have my respects for SMS. Replying or being active on the forum doesnt mean I am trying to prove myself. I surely ACCEPT that I am nothing to what you all senior guys know. Hope this clarifies.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 06 May 2010 12:44 pm

What is happening here is that both MS and myself, are trying to live our lives AND give huge amounts of time to this board. Sometimes, we, in our haste to try to cover all the bases, overlook or bring our train of thought from another thread into the current thread. This is especially so when dealing with MOM/ICA and EP/PR/Citizenship issues, and in my case at least, trying to actually find time to perform my duties as an HR & Finance Manager of a 200 man SME! :o

This happened yesterday in my reply to SingaporeFlyer as I "glanced" at ksl's link and saw the FAQ's and the relevant answers but I took ksl's posted link at face value as the result of his usually sharp research, so I neglected to look at the header of the FAQ's which clearly indicated that it was for application for citizenship and not PR. So, I gave SF the wrong information. This led to some embarrassment but eventually the corrected information got out there. (spurred by SF's query as to where the info came from! :oops: ) that's when I went back and had another look and found that ksl goofed and I missed the heading!.

MS & I tend to try to cover each other's back as I think both of us get overwhelmed at times especially with the MOM/ICA AND NS questions. So, if we occasionally have a cock-up, usually the other will catch it. Sorry for any confusion.

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Post by Mad Scientist » Thu, 06 May 2010 5:22 pm

singaporeflyer wrote: MS,
I know that SMS has lots of experience than any one on the forum. I replied back to your query to refer to ICA site because u had asked "Where did you come up with this S pass can apply for PR"? That is the reason. I never meant or told that I have more info than what you guys have. I am happy to say that I know just 1% of what you senior guys knew. I was just asking SMS what he meant by your call to ICA, as I did not understand it properly earlier. I have my respects for SMS. Replying or being active on the forum doesnt mean I am trying to prove myself. I surely ACCEPT that I am nothing to what you all senior guys know. Hope this clarifies.
WHOA .......! Not so fast...
Let me makes this clear. I am no senior guys here.
I am no where near SMS, SE, JP , V, SG, KSL, X9200 , Splatted to name afew. My knowledge is very limited.
In fact I joined this board only 6 months ago. I was on the fence for about 2 yrs b4 joining.You SF are definitely more senior than me in this board.
I was with another two boards which I help to give advise. When they started jibberish nonsense infighting , I said to myself I am done and do not want any part of it..
What I do know, I contribute whole heartedly. Just today 3 PM from 3 different persons with a set of issues. I hope I manage to lead them to a better informed decisions.Every week at least 1 PM from a forumer to me.
I am semi retired now . 7 of my companies has been managed by younger more intelligent group of people. I only come to work to occupy myself . I find peace and full of contentment in giving help to others that need help.
Prior to this I was from the army and I did work for the ministries b4
I do not and never ask for anything for whatever I am able to assist.
There is nothing wrong in healthy discussion. You came in very strong as someone seems to know about PR albeit ICA stuff from your earlier post. Hence my question to you. I was not trying to ridicule you but wanting to know something that I am not aware of.
Be more tactful is a better word when you want to have a healthy discussion.Have more respect for those people b4 you when you posed a question. :)
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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 06 May 2010 6:17 pm

MS, I think he really means "SENIORS" as in greybeards! :lol: and experience in our given areas of expertise - not time on this board. :oops:

But it's all good. Cause we've survived to pay some of it forward! :cool:
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Post by Mad Scientist » Thu, 06 May 2010 6:30 pm

OK. my bad.
Come to think of it. I am cranky, grumpy old man . :lol:
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Post by wcs » Thu, 06 May 2010 6:52 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:wcs, that only goes to reinforce what I just said regarding the submission of three years of Singapore Tax returns. If they rejected your Australian ones, it's pretty obvious which ones they want then. If you cannot provide them, because you don't have three years here, they they can possibly use that in their deliberations/point allocation.
It's ok. I am happy to play the waiting game. Have resisted the temptation to ask people to check into it. Would rather wait and save the favour in case I am rejected. :)

The bitter sweet thing for me is that if I did not study here, I could have gotten a PEP. But the time I spent studying here meant I was no longer eligible cause of the income requirement! :)

The lack of local income might work against me, but they invited me for PR, so I presume that some allowances are made if you support the local education system.

The only times you get reminded of it are when you find you are the exception in the system. Like I passed my BTT yesterday, but cannot convert my licence as I am not on a long term EP and not a PR. The nice lady at the counter recommended I come back when I am a PR. A similar thing happened when I tried to apply for a SingPass.

Still life could be a lot worse, so I'll be thankful about what I have for now! :)

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Post by ksl » Thu, 06 May 2010 7:19 pm

ksl, next time please pay attention to what the thread is all about okay? The link is for applying for citizenship and not for applying for PR. Big Difference!
That is very strange you say that, in fact the link is about the top 5 questions asked...if you click on the permant residence application you get these questions and answers which cover both SPR & SC, so it so happens the top 5 questions asked, included SC. so it is still to do with PR too :roll: or am i missing something :???: (no need to reply to that :P ) Haha!

Permanent Resident Application FAQ's

edited by mod to keep screen normal size!

ksl goofed and I missed the heading!
Now I see, how you goofed, you are too quick on the draw. The SPR & SC FAQ are all in one :lol: I'll be more careful with the banana skin!
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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 06 May 2010 8:50 pm

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sundaymorningstaple wrote:wcs, that only goes to reinforce what I just said regarding the submission of three years of Singapore Tax returns. If they rejected your Australian ones, it's pretty obvious which ones they want then. If you cannot provide them, because you don't have three years here, they they can possibly use that in their deliberations/point allocation.
It's ok. I am happy to play the waiting game. Have resisted the temptation to ask people to check into it. Would rather wait and save the favour in case I am rejected. :)

The bitter sweet thing for me is that if I did not study here, I could have gotten a PEP. But the time I spent studying here meant I was no longer eligible cause of the income requirement! :)

The lack of local income might work against me, but they invited me for PR, so I presume that some allowances are made if you support the local education system.

The only times you get reminded of it are when you find you are the exception in the system. Like I passed my BTT yesterday, but cannot convert my licence as I am not on a long term EP and not a PR. The nice lady at the counter recommended I come back when I am a PR. A similar thing happened when I tried to apply for a SingPass.

Still life could be a lot worse, so I'll be thankful about what I have for now! :)
It also says, in the FAQ's (the new link posted by ksl just above my last post) that if you don't have all the documents necessary, you can possibly write a letter of explanation. In your case, I'd say you actually have a legitimate claim for PR but due to happenstance you find yourself between the proverbial rock & a hard place. It's worth a try, especially if you have the local education and a previous invitation to apply as well. The worse that they can say is NO with the 2nd worst thing being please reapply in 2 years. Of course, they may well say okay! :wink:
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Post by wcs » Fri, 07 May 2010 1:56 am

Thanks for the encouragement SMS. I'll wait out the hopefully four more months and see if I get a response back from ICA then! :)

Cheers! :)

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Post by black eagle » Tue, 31 Aug 2010 4:23 pm

Hello,
I m Q1 holder work more than 2 years in singapore. My girlfriend just got Spass. After marriage, I want to apply PR for both of us. So I would like to know how long do I need to wait for a better chance to approve?

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Post by singaporeflyer » Tue, 31 Aug 2010 4:31 pm

black eagle wrote:Hello,
I m Q1 holder work more than 2 years in singapore. My girlfriend just got Spass. After marriage, I want to apply PR for both of us. So I would like to know how long do I need to wait for a better chance to approve?
You may try after 1.5 years. It would be better if you are married atleast for a year by that time in SG.

Also if your pass gets upgraded to a P2 Pass that would help by that time.

Also get involved in community work and that will also surely help

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